[DeTomaso] Ring bolts (again)
thomas
thomas at hax.se
Sat Apr 12 18:28:44 EDT 2014
Then you are not using the Pantera specific Centerforce clutch, which is smaller than a stock 351C clutch and uses different mounting holes. The clutch may have the same dimensions as a 5.0 Mustang clutch.
> 12 apr 2014 kl. 21:29 skrev shawkins777 at comcast.net:
>
> I have a Centerforce clutch and a Fidanza flywheel and the clutch bolted up to the flywheel with the existing bolt holes, no new holes were needed. What you do have to pay attention to is the shoulder on the Ford bolts are too long and will bottom out before the clutch tightens against the flywheel. I think Will Kooiman said that GM bolts will work.
>
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>
> Steve
>
>
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: thomas at hax.se, detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 12:11:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ring bolts (again)
>
>
> In a message dated 4/12/14 9 31 11, thomas at hax.se writes:
>
>
> > I'm getting ready to pull the ZF to see if it is the flywheel, or clutch
> > that is causing the fairly violent vibrations I've had sine the latest
> > engine rebuild, where I replaced the stuck flywheel and clutch with a
> > Fidanza aluminum flywheel and Pantera specific Centerforce clutch.
> >
> >>>Ah. Ooh. Er....
>
> The Centerforce clutch uses a non-Ford bolt pattern, so you would have had
> to have a machine shop redrill the holes in the flywheel to accomodate the
> clutch. It's very easy to get that job wrong; when that happens the car
> will shake like a wet dog and there's nothing you can do about it.
>
> For that reason alone I am very much opposed to Centerforce clutches.
>
> Chances are you could fix it by buing a very expensive Centerforce
> flywheel, or alternately, a slightly less expensive McLeod clutch that would bolt
> right up to the original holes on the flywheel.
>
> The Fidanza flywheel uses a removable balance weight so that you can have
> either 28.8 or 50.0 oz of imbalance, making it suitable for either style of
> Ford engine. If you got that wrong, that could be the problem too.
> >
> > >The first time I had it out I drilled the old ring bolts and safety
> > wired it, but I have decided to get new ARP bolts and redo it.
> >
> >>>Why? If it ain't broke don't fix it! :>)
> >
> > >So where to get the bolts and pan gasket?
> >
> >>>ARP sells ZF ring gear bolts but does so under exclusive contract with
> Lloyd Butfoy. They will not sell them via any other channels.
> >
> > >Someone mentioned ARP bolts for some Euro box (Rover?) that were of the
> > correct size? Might be easier to get them around here.
> >
> > >>>As far as I know, the ones ARP makes for the ZF are completely unique.
>
> > >By the way, I have now had help from a guy in the US to tune the EFI and
> > it is like a new car :) In case anyone needs assistance tuning a stock
> > Ford EFI I can recommend http://www.efidynotuning.com
> >
> >>>Sounds great!
>
> Now, if you can only fix that shaking problem....
>
> Mike
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Then you are not using the Pantera specific Centerforce clutch, which
is smaller than a stock 351C clutch and uses different mounting holes.
The clutch may have the same dimensions as a 5.0 Mustang clutch.
12 apr 2014 kl. 21:29 skrev [1]shawkins777 at comcast.net:
I have a Centerforce clutch and a Fidanza flywheel and the clutch
bolted up to the flywheel with the existing bolt holes, no new holes
were needed. What you do have to pay attention to is the shoulder on
the Ford bolts are too long and will bottom out before the clutch
tightens against the flywheel. I think Will Kooiman said that GM bolts
will work.
Steve
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From: [2]MikeLDrew at aol.com
To: [3]thomas at hax.se, [4]detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 12:11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ring bolts (again)
In a message dated 4/12/14 9 31 11, [5]thomas at hax.se writes:
> I'm getting ready to pull the ZF to see if it is the flywheel, or
clutch
> that is causing the fairly violent vibrations I've had sine the
latest
> engine rebuild, where I replaced the stuck flywheel and clutch with a
> Fidanza aluminum flywheel and Pantera specific Centerforce clutch.
>
>>>Ah. Ooh. Er....
The Centerforce clutch uses a non-Ford bolt pattern, so you would have
had
to have a machine shop redrill the holes in the flywheel to accomodate
the
clutch. It's very easy to get that job wrong; when that happens the
car
will shake like a wet dog and there's nothing you can do about it.
For that reason alone I am very much opposed to Centerforce clutches.
Chances are you could fix it by buing a very expensive Centerforce
flywheel, or alternately, a slightly less expensive McLeod clutch that
would bolt
right up to the original holes on the flywheel.
The Fidanza flywheel uses a removable balance weight so that you can
have
either 28.8 or 50.0 oz of imbalance, making it suitable for either
style of
Ford engine. If you got that wrong, that could be the problem too.
>
> >The first time I had it out I drilled the old ring bolts and safety
> wired it, but I have decided to get new ARP bolts and redo it.
>
>>>Why? If it ain't broke don't fix it! :>)
>
> >So where to get the bolts and pan gasket?
>
>>>ARP sells ZF ring gear bolts but does so under exclusive contract
with
Lloyd Butfoy. They will not sell them via any other channels.
>
> >Someone mentioned ARP bolts for some Euro box (Rover?) that were of
the
> correct size? Might be easier to get them around here.
>
> >>>As far as I know, the ones ARP makes for the ZF are completely
unique.
> >By the way, I have now had help from a guy in the US to tune the EFI
and
> it is like a new car :) In case anyone needs assistance tuning a
stock
> Ford EFI I can recommend [6]http://www.efidynotuning.com
>
>>>Sounds great!
Now, if you can only fix that shaking problem....
Mike
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