[DeTomaso] Big Bend Open Road Race
michael frazier
red3644 at hotmail.com
Wed Apr 9 19:06:23 EDT 2014
Bullshit...
You don't know how I drove while on the other course routes.
The two I mentioned were run in C6 Vettes and I had chances to
push as hard at times as I would have in the race. I was referring to
the course itself. Just because the road is crappy or cruise control
straight doesn't make it or you more of anything for doing it. We, I,
ran a Pantera at BBORR for 8 years straight, and put together a 10
car team too. I'm putting my car back together now and will run it again.
There's no shortage of rooms or other facilities in Ft. Stockton or
Sanderson. The starting lines are nearly within walking distance of
the towns. The towns and locals support it as well as any other
community that holds these things, with free dinners, parades,
school visits etc.
And the road...it's the best of the bunch...that I have driven. It's a good
surface most of the way and all the off camber turns, rock walls, cliffs,
blind crests, bridges, buzzards, wild pigs and 50 something turns in
the last 50 miles don't really bother me...but I've only run a 120 average.
There are some very scary places there because I try to run my average
speed and stay right on it the entire way. That's got me 5 or 6 first places.
I won't put a cage in a Pantera because it's more dangerous with it than without it
And just to update things, I spend 5 days out there every year and guess
what we talk about. It's not just my opinion.
Michael
Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa
Texas Corvette Association
> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 06:46:48 -0700
> From: asajay at asajay.com
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Big Bend Open Road Race
>
> Big Bend may be a good race, but I'm not certain it really has anything
> on the Sandhills Open Road Challenge with it's narrow road, grass
> shoulders and no run off room. There have been Panteras running in
> that event consistently for several years now without fail. The team
> lineup may vary year to year due to their restricted entry system but
> someone has been there. Between Bob Radefeld, Bud Hower and Mark
> Skwarek, I think they've done more ORR than the rest of us combined in
> the last five years. Bud even drove out to SSCC a few years ago, and
> although Mark's new engine wasn't ready, he flew out to spend last
> year's SSCC with the team as well.
> I realize BBORR is far removed from the rest of the country due to the
> shear size of Texas, but it's like you have your own Open Road Race
> right there in your back yard, and there hasn't been a Pantera entered
> in over two years? I'm sure for you it seems like the best of the
> bunch; it's the only one you've really driven at speed.
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
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>
> On 4/8/2014 8:53 PM, michael frazier wrote:
>
> It's been more than 2 years. My car is going back together and will be
> there in 2015.
> I'd really like to put another group together like we did a few years
> ago. We had 10
> Panteras and filled a table with really hard to come by trophies.
> I just recently had the chance to see and drive the Sandhills course
> while touring the local
> missile fields... did the Silver State drive not long ago while at
> Nellis. I'm just glad
> BBORR is only 300 miles from me, it's easily the best road of the
> bunch. I 'll be there
> again this year with a group of Vettes and this is my 4th year as an
> instructor and
> qualifier for the rookie school. That's the scary part.
> Hope to see some of you there for the '15 race.
> Michael Frazier
> Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa
> > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 18:55:14 -0700
> > From: [4]asajay at asajay.com
> > To: [5]detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Big Bend Open Road Race
> >
> > Team Pantera Racing has not heard from -anyone- in shouting distance
> of
> > the BBORR this year. Will there be even -one- Pantera? Say it ain't
> > so. That would make two years in a row if I recall correctly.
> >
> > Asa Jay
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [6]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> > [7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > [8]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> >
> >
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Bullshit...
You don't know how I drove while on the other course routes.
The two I mentioned were run in C6 Vettes and I had chances to
push as hard at times as I would have in the race. I was referring to
the course itself. Just because the road is crappy or cruise control
straight doesn't make it or you more of anything for doing it. We, I,
ran a Pantera at BBORR for 8 years straight, and put together a 10
car team too. I'm putting my car back together now and will run it
again.
There's no shortage of rooms or other facilities in Ft. Stockton or
Sanderson. The starting lines are nearly within walking distance of
the towns. The towns and locals support it as well as any other
community that holds these things, with free dinners, parades,
school visits etc.
And the road...it's the best of the bunch...that I have driven. It's a
good
surface most of the way and all the off camber turns, rock walls,
cliffs,
blind crests, bridges, buzzards, wild pigs and 50 something turns in
the last 50 miles don't really bother me...but I've only run a 120
average.
There are some very scary places there because I try to run my average
speed and stay right on it the entire way. That's got me 5 or 6 first
places.
I won't put a cage in a Pantera because it's more dangerous with it
than without it
And just to update things, I spend 5 days out there every year and
guess
what we talk about. It's not just my opinion.
Michael
Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa
Texas Corvette Association
> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 06:46:48 -0700
> From: asajay at asajay.com
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Big Bend Open Road Race
>
> Big Bend may be a good race, but I'm not certain it really has
anything
> on the Sandhills Open Road Challenge with it's narrow road, grass
> shoulders and no run off room. There have been Panteras running in
> that event consistently for several years now without fail. The team
> lineup may vary year to year due to their restricted entry system but
> someone has been there. Between Bob Radefeld, Bud Hower and Mark
> Skwarek, I think they've done more ORR than the rest of us combined
in
> the last five years. Bud even drove out to SSCC a few years ago, and
> although Mark's new engine wasn't ready, he flew out to spend last
> year's SSCC with the team as well.
> I realize BBORR is far removed from the rest of the country due to
the
> shear size of Texas, but it's like you have your own Open Road Race
> right there in your back yard, and there hasn't been a Pantera
entered
> in over two years? I'm sure for you it seems like the best of the
> bunch; it's the only one you've really driven at speed.
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
> On 4/8/2014 8:53 PM, michael frazier wrote:
>
> It's been more than 2 years. My car is going back together and will
be
> there in 2015.
> I'd really like to put another group together like we did a few years
> ago. We had 10
> Panteras and filled a table with really hard to come by trophies.
> I just recently had the chance to see and drive the Sandhills course
> while touring the local
> missile fields... did the Silver State drive not long ago while at
> Nellis. I'm just glad
> BBORR is only 300 miles from me, it's easily the best road of the
> bunch. I 'll be there
> again this year with a group of Vettes and this is my 4th year as an
> instructor and
> qualifier for the rookie school. That's the scary part.
> Hope to see some of you there for the '15 race.
> Michael Frazier
> Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa
> > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 18:55:14 -0700
> > From: [4]asajay at asajay.com
> > To: [5]detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Big Bend Open Road Race
> >
> > Team Pantera Racing has not heard from -anyone- in shouting
distance
> of
> > the BBORR this year. Will there be even -one- Pantera? Say it ain't
> > so. That would make two years in a row if I recall correctly.
> >
> > Asa Jay
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [6]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> > [7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > [8]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> >
> >
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> 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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