[DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm bushings to increase caster?

Ken Green kenn_green at yahoo.com
Fri Apr 4 00:33:28 EDT 2014


Mike,

The camber lock includes a thin arm (about 1/8 inch thick) that fits between the upper ball joint and the control arm and acts like a wide shim.

Ken
 

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 From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; cengles at cox.net 
Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm bushings to increase caster?
  

   No, as the camber adjustment moves the top of the spindle in and out.
   We're talking about castor here.  Moving the shims to the front of the
   ball joint at the top serves to move the top of the spindle to the
   rear, adding to the offset top/bottom of the bushings.  If you're
   lucky, your castor will be even on both sides (don't ask me how I
   managed to get a car that is . . . ).

   Good Luck

   Mike


   From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
   Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 10:21 PM
   To: Mike Thomas; cengles at cox.net
   Cc: detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
   bushings to increase caster?


   Mike,


       I think installing a camber lock sorta does that?  At least the
   instructions I have seen look like part of the camber lock acts as a
   shim  moving the upper ball joint towards the rear.


   Ken

   From: Mike Thomas <[1]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
   To: 'Ken Green' <[2]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; [3]cengles at cox.net
   Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
   Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:07 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
   bushings to increase caster?

   The other thing to do is to move all of the shims on your ball joint to
   the
   forward side.  That in combination with the bushings greatly improved
   my
   self-centering even with 245 front tires.
   My wife would agree on the self-centering part . . . . ;-)
   Mike Thomas
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ken
   Green
   Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:29 PM
   To: [6]cengles at cox.net
   Cc: [7]detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
   bushings to increase caster?
   Chuck,
       Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
   caster.
   Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?  Seems like
   you
   can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of shifting?  I'm not sure
   what
   the separation between ball joints is, but that looks like less than 2
   degrees of added caster?
   Ken
   ________________________________
   From: "[8]cengles at cox.net" <[9]cengles at cox.net>
   To: [10]kenn_green at yahoo.com
   Cc: [11]detomaso at poca.com
   Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
   bushings to increase caster?

      Dear Ken,
                  1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
                 2)  The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
   of
      positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
      stability.  Highly recommended
                 3)   Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable
   vendor
      in my opinion.
                                   Go buy'em,   Chuck Engles
      On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
      > Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
   offset
      front control armA bushings?A
      >
      > Thanks,
      >
      > Ken
      >
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   Mike,
   The camber lock includes a thin arm (about 1/8 inch thick) that fits
   between the upper ball joint and the control arm and acts like a wide
   shim.
   Ken
   From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
   To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; cengles at cox.net
   Cc: detomaso at poca.com
   Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 9:16 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
   bushings to increase caster?
     No, as the camber adjustment moves the top of the spindle in and out.
     We're talking about castor here.  Moving the shims to the front of
   the
     ball joint at the top serves to move the top of the spindle to the
     rear, adding to the offset top/bottom of the bushings.  If you're
     lucky, your castor will be even on both sides (don't ask me how I
     managed to get a car that is . . . ).
     Good Luck
     Mike
     From: Ken Green [mailto:[1]kenn_green at yahoo.com]
     Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 10:21 PM
     To: Mike Thomas; [2]cengles at cox.net
     Cc: [3]detomaso at poca.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
   arm
     bushings to increase caster?
     Mike,
         I think installing a camber lock sorta does that?  At least the
     instructions I have seen look like part of the camber lock acts as a
     shim  moving the upper ball joint towards the rear.
     Ken
     From: Mike Thomas <[1][4]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
     To: 'Ken Green' <[2][5]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; [3][6]cengles at cox.net
     Cc: [4][7]detomaso at poca.com
     Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:07 PM
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
   arm
     bushings to increase caster?
     The other thing to do is to move all of the shims on your ball joint
   to
     the
     forward side.  That in combination with the bushings greatly improved
     my
     self-centering even with 245 front tires.
     My wife would agree on the self-centering part . . . . ;-)
     Mike Thomas
     -----Original Message-----
     From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5][8]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Ken
     Green
     Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:29 PM
     To: [6][9]cengles at cox.net
     Cc: [7][10]detomaso at poca.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
   arm
     bushings to increase caster?
     Chuck,
         Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
     caster.
     Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?  Seems like
     you
     can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of shifting?  I'm not
   sure
     what
     the separation between ball joints is, but that looks like less than
   2
     degrees of added caster?
     Ken
     ________________________________
     From: "[8][11]cengles at cox.net" <[9][12]cengles at cox.net>
     To: [10][13]kenn_green at yahoo.com
     Cc: [11][14]detomaso at poca.com
     Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
   arm
     bushings to increase caster?
         Dear Ken,
                     1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
                   2)  The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5
   degrees
     of
         positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
         stability.  Highly recommended
                   3)  Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable
     vendor
         in my opinion.
                                     Go buy'em,  Chuck Engles
         On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
         > Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
     offset
         front control armA bushings?A
         >
         > Thanks,
         >
         > Ken
         >
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