From guson at home.se Tue Apr 1 04:51:48 2014
From: guson at home.se (Tomas Gunnarsson)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 01:51:48 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] NOV: Mustang Volvo Fusion
Message-ID: <657700AD82F1466F9266B8144186BEC8@mail2world.com>
I thought you had found this: http://www.spoca.se/css/lassesoder-23.jpg
An old Swedish conversion made in 1968 to a then new Volvo 142. The
wagon looks better though.
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Rob Dumoulin [rob at dumoulins.net]
Sent: 31/3/2014 11:48:16 PM
To: DeTomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] NOV: Mustang Volvo Fusion
One might wonder why Ford did not think of this.........Not.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/03/31/166-ford-mustang-meets-volvo-w
agon-marriage-convenience/?intcmp=features
_______________________________________________________________
Annons: Hitta k?rleken p? M?tesplatsen.se ? Bli medlem Gratis nu
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I thought you had found this:
[1]http://www.spoca.se/css/lassesoder-23.jpg An old Swedish conversion
made in 1968 to a then new Volvo 142. The wagon looks better though.
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Rob Dumoulin [rob at dumoulins.net]
Sent: 31/3/2014 11:48:16 PM
To: DeTomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] NOV: Mustang Volvo Fusion
One might wonder why Ford did not think of this.........Not.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/03/31/166-ford-mustang-meets-volvo-
wagon-marriage-convenience/?intcmp=features
_______________________________________________________________
Annons: [2]Hitta kaerleken paa Moetesplatsen.se Bli medlem Gratis nu
References
1. http://www.spoca.se/css/lassesoder-23.jpg
2. http://adserver.adtech.de/?adlink|3.0|1297|4819575|1|16|AdId=9776362;BnId=1;link=http://rms.admeta.com/public/transfer.asp?sitebanner_id=4723912
From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Tue Apr 1 09:59:41 2014
From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 09:59:41 -0400
Subject: [DeTomaso] NOV: Mustang Volvo Fusion
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <35B05816BA3045169DE13467476B3C4C@LarryHPPC>
This reminds me of the Toyota/Mustang that graced this forum years ago. 16
miles of weld if I recall. It looked and ran much better then this work...
Larry (Supra-tang?) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 6:48 PM
To: DeTomaso Mail List
Subject: [DeTomaso] NOV: Mustang Volvo Fusion
One might wonder why Ford did not think of this.........Not.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/03/31/166-ford-mustang-meets-volvo-wagon
-marriage-convenience/?intcmp=features
From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 10:12:07 2014
From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 14:12:07 +0000
Subject: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
Message-ID:
http://www.imcdb.org ---- I ran across this on the Barnfind blog. Pictures of cars used in movies. --BILL Lewis
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[1]http://www.imcdb.org ---- I ran across this on the Barnfind blog.
Pictures of cars used in movies. --BILL Lewis
References
1. http://www.imcdb.org/
From bd8134 at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 11:42:14 2014
From: bd8134 at gmail.com (Brian Dudley)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 11:42:14 -0400
Subject: [DeTomaso] Heater fresh air control cable hookup?
Message-ID:
Hi,
I do not know where to connect the fresh air pickup control cable to the
heater control assembly on the dash. I have 3 control cables connected up
to the heater control , dash vent / defrost, floor and heat. I have the
valve for the fresh air pickup as shown here, item 41.
http://www.pim.net/detsec12ill19.jpg
The control cable 31A, connects to heater control assembly, item 19 here,
http://www.pim.net/14.1pim.html. Mine is not the later vacuum/pushbutton
style.
I remember many years ago when I dismantled it, the control assm did have 2
cables on 1 lever but I do not know which one. I have looked for evidence
of screws or wire marks but nothing.
The fresh air box seems to be from serial# 5284, does anyone know or can
check their car for where this illusive cable lives on the control?
Thank you,
Brian
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Hi,
I do not know where to connect the fresh air pickup control cable to
the heater control assembly on the dash. I have 3 control cables
connected up to the heater control , dash vent / defrost, floor and
heat. I have the valve for the fresh air pickup as shown here, item
41. [1]http://www.pim.net/detsec12ill19.jpg
The control cable 31A, connects to heater control assembly, item 19
here, [2]http://www.pim.net/14.1pim.html. Mine is not the later
vacuum/pushbutton style.
I remember many years ago when I dismantled it, the control assm did
have 2 cables on 1 lever but I do not know which one. I have looked for
evidence of screws or wire marks but nothing.
The fresh air box seems to be from serial# 5284, does anyone know or
can check their car for where this illusive cable lives on the control?
Thank you,
Brian
References
1. http://www.pim.net/detsec12ill19.jpg
2. http://www.pim.net/14.1pim.html
From arkoch at earthlink.net Tue Apr 1 12:39:12 2014
From: arkoch at earthlink.net (Dick Koch)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 12:39:12 -0400
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Weld.com - instructions,
advice for all you fabricators
Message-ID: <533AEBB0.7020906@earthlink.net>
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videos on the web.
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From boyd411 at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 13:10:14 2014
From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 13:10:14 -0400
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - miniature V-12 - video
In-Reply-To: <5339BF82.9000809@pobox.com>
References: <8D11B296ECC68DD-1180-DEC1@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com>
<5339BF82.9000809@pobox.com>
Message-ID:
I think it's compressed air. (even though it's still very cool). The
reasons i think it is compressed air are as you mentioned no spark, with
the cams turning at 2:1 (which is all you would need for compressed air ,
as every stroke is a power stroke from the compressed air and an exhaust
stroke), no oil in the crank area, no coolant, no spark or glow plug, no
fuel air mixture and no exhaust ( clear air) so it is a model of a 12
cylinder that uses power of compressed air to operate , not generates
power, So in fact it's not an engine. But still a very nice model. It would
help if I understood Italian.
Boyd
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Paul Timko wrote:
> I've seen this video before and I have a couple of questions.
>
> The camshafts are spinning a crank frequency, not half. Does this make it
> a 2-stroke?
> No method for spark, so is it a diesel?
>
> When I first saw this, I figured it was running off of compressed air, not
> combustion. But now I'm not sure as it looks like there is a mesh on the
> top portion of the intake manifold.
>
> Way cool.
> Paul
> #9270
>
>
> On 3/31/2014 1:52 PM, Larry Finch wrote:
>
>> If you have about ten minutes to spend, and want to be amazed at the
>> skills of some of those who walk amongst us mere humans, click this
>> link:
>> [1]http://m.wimp.com/tiniestengine/
>>
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://m.wimp.com/tiniestengine/
>>
>>
>>
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I think it's compressed air. (even though it's still very cool). The
reasons i think it is compressed air are as you mentioned no spark,
with the cams turning at 2:1 (which is all you would need for
compressed air , as every stroke is a power stroke from the compressed
air and an exhaust stroke), no oil in the crank area, no coolant, no
spark or glow plug, no fuel air mixture and no exhaust ( clear air) so
it is a model of a 12 cylinder that uses power of compressed air to
operate , not generates power, So in fact it's not an engine. But still
a very nice model. It would help if I understood Italian.
Boyd
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Paul Timko <[1]thedrol at pobox.com>
wrote:
I've seen this video before and I have a couple of questions.
The camshafts are spinning a crank frequency, not half. Does this
make it a 2-stroke?
No method for spark, so is it a diesel?
When I first saw this, I figured it was running off of compressed
air, not combustion. But now I'm not sure as it looks like there is
a mesh on the top portion of the intake manifold.
Way cool.
Paul
#9270
On 3/31/2014 1:52 PM, Larry Finch wrote:
If you have about ten minutes to spend, and want to be amazed at
the
skills of some of those who walk amongst us mere humans, click this
link:
[1][2]http://m.wimp.com/tiniestengine/
Larry
References
1. [3]http://m.wimp.com/tiniestengine/
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References
1. mailto:thedrol at pobox.com
2. http://m.wimp.com/tiniestengine/
3. http://m.wimp.com/tiniestengine/
4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
From garth_rodericks at yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 13:43:01 2014
From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com (Garth Rodericks)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:43:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] NOV: Mustang Volvo Fusion
Message-ID: <1396374181.31654.YahooMailNeo@web122106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
<< This reminds me of the Toyota/Mustang that graced this forum years ago. 16 miles of weld if I recall. It looked and ran much better then this work. >>
That was Sean Korb's Suprang...
http://suprang.com/
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<< This reminds me of the Toyota/Mustang that graced this forum years
ago. 16 miles of weld if I recall. It looked and ran much better then
this work. >>
That was Sean Korb's Suprang...
[1]http://suprang.com/
References
1. http://suprang.com/
From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Apr 1 14:17:08 2014
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 14:17:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso (2 of 2)
Message-ID: <2aa66.167d0cc7.406c5ca3@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/31/14 18 51 42, mbefthomas at comcast.net writes:
> The Panteras look great, but that Pagani is something else.? I love the
> mirrors shaped to look like a woman's eyes.? Pure Italian.? Any idea who
> it
> belonged to?? I figure Jay Leno must have one by now.? Saw his video with
> Hiracio Pagani.
>
>>>The Pagani was a manufacturer's demo car; the factory rep was on hand to
describe it to the crowd.
It's a fascinating car. Although the engine is made for them by Mercedes,
it is unique to the Pagani. It is based on the twin-turbo V-12 in the
top-of-the-line AMG Mercedes, but the Pagani version has unique (different)
cylinder heads, different turbos, different exhaust, and is dry sump.
It sounds great when the car first starts, but then after about 20 seconds
it becomes whisper quiet. When the rep started it and drove it off the
stage, I thought he had somehow stalled it shortly after moving, but no...it's
just eerily quiet, which I guess is a response to ever-stricter Euro noise
regulations.
Mike
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In a message dated 3/31/14 18 51 42, mbefthomas at comcast.net writes:
The Panteras look great, but that Pagani is something else. I love
the
mirrors shaped to look like a woman's eyes. Pure Italian. Any idea
who it
belonged to? I figure Jay Leno must have one by now. Saw his video
with
Hiracio Pagani.
>>>The Pagani was a manufacturer's demo car; the factory rep was on
hand to describe it to the crowd.
It's a fascinating car. Although the engine is made for them by
Mercedes, it is unique to the Pagani. It is based on the twin-turbo
V-12 in the top-of-the-line AMG Mercedes, but the Pagani version has
unique (different) cylinder heads, different turbos, different exhaust,
and is dry sump.
It sounds great when the car first starts, but then after about 20
seconds it becomes whisper quiet. When the rep started it and drove it
off the stage, I thought he had somehow stalled it shortly after
moving, but no...it's just eerily quiet, which I guess is a response to
ever-stricter Euro noise regulations.
Mike
From jderyke at aol.com Tue Apr 1 14:46:23 2014
From: jderyke at aol.com (jderyke at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 14:46:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Heater fresh air control cable hookup?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <8D11BF1D03C500A-2248-12B13@webmail-m141.sysops.aol.com>
There were two very different fresh air controls on Panteras. Early '71s had one type and late '73-74 had another. Unfortunately, most of the cars imported were late '71-early '73 and those had no fresh air intakes (type 2 & 3 in your ref pg). As you said, it's likely that you have a type 4. Anyone with a late car and a digital camera?
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Dudley
To: detomaso
Sent: Tue, Apr 1, 2014 8:43 am
Subject: [DeTomaso] Heater fresh air control cable hookup?
Hi,
I do not know where to connect the fresh air pickup control cable to
the heater control assembly on the dash. I have 3 control cables
connected up to the heater control , dash vent / defrost, floor and
heat. I have the valve for the fresh air pickup as shown here, item
41. [1]http://www.pim.net/detsec12ill19.jpg
The control cable 31A, connects to heater control assembly, item 19
here, [2]http://www.pim.net/14.1pim.html. Mine is not the later
vacuum/pushbutton style.
I remember many years ago when I dismantled it, the control assm did
have 2 cables on 1 lever but I do not know which one. I have looked for
evidence of screws or wire marks but nothing.
The fresh air box seems to be from serial# 5284, does anyone know or
can check their car for where this illusive cable lives on the control?
Thank you,
Brian
References
1. http://www.pim.net/detsec12ill19.jpg
2. http://www.pim.net/14.1pim.html
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There were two very different fresh air controls on Panteras. Early
'71s had one type and late '73-74 had another. Unfortunately, most of
the cars imported were late '71-early '73 and those had no fresh air
intakes (type 2 & 3 in your ref pg). As you said, it's likely that you
have a type 4. Anyone with a late car and a digital camera?
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Dudley
To: detomaso
Sent: Tue, Apr 1, 2014 8:43 am
Subject: [DeTomaso] Heater fresh air control cable hookup?
Hi,
I do not know where to connect the fresh air pickup control cable to
the heater control assembly on the dash. I have 3 control cables
connected up to the heater control , dash vent / defrost, floor and
heat. I have the valve for the fresh air pickup as shown here, item
41. [1][1]http://www.pim.net/detsec12ill19.jpg
The control cable 31A, connects to heater control assembly, item 19
here, [2][2]http://www.pim.net/14.1pim.html. Mine is not the later
vacuum/pushbutton style.
I remember many years ago when I dismantled it, the control assm did
have 2 cables on 1 lever but I do not know which one. I have looked for
evidence of screws or wire marks but nothing.
The fresh air box seems to be from serial# 5284, does anyone know or
can check their car for where this illusive cable lives on the control?
Thank you,
Brian
References
1. [3]http://www.pim.net/detsec12ill19.jpg
2. [4]http://www.pim.net/14.1pim.html
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References
1. http://www.pim.net/detsec12ill19.jpg
2. http://www.pim.net/14.1pim.html
3. http://www.pim.net/detsec12ill19.jpg
4. http://www.pim.net/14.1pim.html
5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
From jjdetrich at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 17:37:14 2014
From: jjdetrich at gmail.com (Jeff Detrich)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 16:37:14 -0500
Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso (2 of 2)
In-Reply-To: <2aa66.167d0cc7.406c5ca3@aol.com>
References: <2aa66.167d0cc7.406c5ca3@aol.com>
Message-ID:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:17 PM, wrote:
> >>>The Pagani was a manufacturer's demo car; the factory rep was on
> hand to describe it to the crowd.
>
That car has been making the auto show circuit. I saw it at the Dallas Auto
Show.
Jeff'6559
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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:17 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>>The Pagani was a manufacturer's demo car; the factory rep was on
hand to describe it to the crowd.
That car has been making the auto show circuit. I saw it at the Dallas
Auto Show.
Jeff'6559
References
1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
From fresnofinches at aol.com Tue Apr 1 19:25:27 2014
From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 16:25:27 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - 1957 BBC news story
Message-ID: <4FAD3F4B-8D4E-471B-94CF-7B50E27C768D@aol.com>
Have two or three minutes to spare?
On this day back in 1957, the BBC aired this news story. This is the first I've heard of this.
http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
Enjoy ..... ;-)
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Have two or three minutes to spare?
On this day back in 1957, the BBC aired this news story. This is the
first I've heard of this.
[1]http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
Enjoy ..... ;-)
References
1. http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
From daryl.architect at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 20:12:00 2014
From: daryl.architect at gmail.com (Daryl Adams)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 19:12:00 -0500
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - 1957 BBC news story
In-Reply-To: <4FAD3F4B-8D4E-471B-94CF-7B50E27C768D@aol.com>
References: <4FAD3F4B-8D4E-471B-94CF-7B50E27C768D@aol.com>
Message-ID:
I could swear I saw that same piece, or one just like it, on the original
Tonight Show with Jack Paar in 1960.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Larry Finch wrote:
> Have two or three minutes to spare?
>
> On this day back in 1957, the BBC aired this news story. This is the
> first I've heard of this.
>
> [1]http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
>
> Enjoy ..... ;-)
>
> References
>
> 1. http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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I could swear I saw that same piece, or one just like it, on the
original Tonight Show with Jack Paar in 1960.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Larry Finch <[1]fresnofinches at aol.com>
wrote:
Have two or three minutes to spare?
On this day back in 1957, the BBC aired this news story. This is
the
first I've heard of this.
[1][2]http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
Enjoy ..... ;-)
References
1. [3]http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
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References
1. mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
2. http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
3. http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
From robpink2012 at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 20:32:06 2014
From: robpink2012 at gmail.com (Robert Pink)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 19:32:06 -0500
Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso (2 of 2)
In-Reply-To:
References: <2aa66.167d0cc7.406c5ca3@aol.com>
Message-ID:
Mike thanks for trying to catch up with us. Our 2,800 mile journey in Uhaul
loaded with engines. Transmissions, diff etc pulling a car on a trailer was
taking longer than hoped and unfortunately we needed to push on.
We got back last night at 8 pm with work John the next morning.
I took the car for a quick spin around the block. Let the fun begin
Thanks for the invite. With a bit more time we would have loved to join
Rob
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014, Jeff Detrich wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:17 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com >
> wrote:
>
> >>>The Pagani was a manufacturer's demo car; the factory rep was on
> hand to describe it to the crowd.
>
> That car has been making the auto show circuit. I saw it at the Dallas
> Auto Show.
> Jeff'6559
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>
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Mike thanks for trying to catch up with us. Our 2,800 mile journey in
Uhaul loaded with engines. Transmissions, diff etc pulling a car on a
trailer was taking longer than hoped and unfortunately we needed to
push on.
We got back last night at 8 pm with work John the next morning.
I took the car for a quick spin around the block. Let the fun begin
Thanks for the invite. With a bit more time we would have loved to
join
Rob
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014, Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:17 PM, <[1][2]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>>The Pagani was a manufacturer's demo car; the factory rep
was on
hand to describe it to the crowd.
That car has been making the auto show circuit. I saw it at the
Dallas
Auto Show.
Jeff'6559
References
1. mailto:[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com
References
1. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
2. javascript:;
3. javascript:;
From robpink2012 at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 22:11:19 2014
From: robpink2012 at gmail.com (Robert Pink)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 21:11:19 -0500
Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso (2 of 2)
In-Reply-To: <7b0be.47265093.406cbcfa@aol.com>
References: <7b0be.47265093.406cbcfa@aol.com>
Message-ID:
The hope is to get into Vintage Racing so I need a car that is pre 1973.
I had a 240z back in High School so it seemed like a relatively inexpensive
way to start
Rob
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/1/14 17 33 15, robpink2012 at gmail.comwrites:
>
>
> Mike thanks for trying to catch up with us. Our 2,800 mile journey in Uhaul
> loaded with engines. Transmissions, diff etc pulling a car on a trailer was
> taking longer than hoped and unfortunately we needed to push on.
>
> We got back last night at 8 pm with work John the next morning.
>
> I took the car for a quick spin around the block. Let the fun begin
>
> Thanks for the invite. With a bit more time we would have loved to join
>
>
> >>>Yes, we completely understood! In retrospect we wish we had stopped
> sooner on I-5 somewhere so you could have caught up with us. We could then
> have got up early and driven a few hours to Palm Springs for the show.
>
> Oh well...you made it home which is the important thing!
>
> Mike
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The hope is to get into Vintage Racing so I need a car that is pre
1973.
I had a 240z back in High School so it seemed like a relatively
inexpensive way to start
Rob
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014, [1]MikeLDrew at aol.com <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
wrote:
In a message dated 4/1/14 17 33 15, [3]robpink2012 at gmail.com writes:
Mike thanks for trying to catch up with us. Our 2,800 mile journey
in Uhaul
loaded with engines. Transmissions, diff etc pulling a car on a
trailer was
taking longer than hoped and unfortunately we needed to push on.
We got back last night at 8 pm with work John the next morning.
I took the car for a quick spin around the block. Let the fun begin
Thanks for the invite. With a bit more time we would have loved to
join
>>>Yes, we completely understood! In retrospect we wish we had
stopped sooner on I-5 somewhere so you could have caught up with
us. We could then have got up early and driven a few hours to Palm
Springs for the show.
Oh well...you made it home which is the important thing!
Mike
References
1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
3. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','robpink2012 at gmail.com');
From mbefthomas at comcast.net Wed Apr 2 00:12:19 2014
From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 21:12:19 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - 1957 BBC news story
In-Reply-To:
References: <4FAD3F4B-8D4E-471B-94CF-7B50E27C768D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <080601cf4e29$bdb1de50$39159af0$@comcast.net>
Was it also on, um, April 1st?
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Daryl Adams
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 5:12 PM
To: Larry Finch
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - 1957 BBC news story
I could swear I saw that same piece, or one just like it, on the original
Tonight Show with Jack Paar in 1960.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Larry Finch wrote:
> Have two or three minutes to spare?
>
> On this day back in 1957, the BBC aired this news story. This is the
> first I've heard of this.
>
> [1]http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
>
> Enjoy ..... ;-)
>
> References
>
> 1. http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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>
From mbefthomas at comcast.net Wed Apr 2 00:16:41 2014
From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 21:16:41 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <080701cf4e2a$5a14f6b0$0e3ee410$@comcast.net>
And no DeTomaso, or Pantera
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 7:12 AM
To: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
http://www.imcdb.org ---- I ran across this on the Barnfind blog.
Pictures of cars used in movies. --BILL Lewis
From edducati at mac.com Wed Apr 2 00:23:15 2014
From: edducati at mac.com (Ed Mendez)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 21:23:15 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] [SDP] Cara and Coffee April 12th update
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <19DE7D85-1572-4D10-913C-D45FA62A9F11@mac.com>
Anymore going to this? I have 15 for sures, and 5 maybes.
ed
On 31/03/2014, at 13:37, Ed Mendez wrote:
> We are still all going and will meet at the Park and Ride Oceanside on the morning of the 12th at 5am will leave for Irvine at 5.15am sharp. Park and ride is located Hwy 78 and I-5 Northwest corner.
>
> It was too late to reserve the front row but we still are all going and will be great fun.
>
> Thanks Ed
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5
>
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From edducati at mac.com Wed Apr 2 01:02:29 2014
From: edducati at mac.com (Ed Mendez)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 22:02:29 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Cars and Coffee Irvine April 12th
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <2E92DCC4-BE9D-4335-A8D0-DB2FDA8B79B6@mac.com>
So far who has RSVP?d to Cars and Coffee from SDP:
Bret Gann
Judy Gann
Dave Briggs
Klaus Schoenherr - The Swede
Mike Becker - El Presdente
Denise Becker
Glen Chancellor
John Buckman - El Hefe Presidente
Kathy Buckman
Craig Cline
Ed Mendez
Scott Miller
Ron Ketchum?
Ralph Suarez?
Craig Chapman?
Bobbie Udell?
Jennifer Udell?
Scott Bohnivert?
Come guys it will be FUN!!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ed Mendez
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 12:26 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Cars and Coffee Irvine April 12th
>
>
> Calling all Panteras for Cars and Coffee in Irvine April 12th 7am-9am!
>
> I realize that some of you live far away but just wanted to invite everyone
> on behalf of San Diego Panteras chapter of POCA.
>
> Probably grab breakfast somewhere around there after the event.
>
> Should be a great showing as we have 20+ cars showing already. Please let me
> know if you are planning on joining as we know the person who puts on the
> event and can get front row parking for our Panteras. I hope you will join
> us.
>
> Thanks Ed
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5
>
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So far who has RSVP'd to Cars and Coffee from SDP:
Bret Gann
Judy Gann
Dave Briggs
Klaus Schoenherr - The Swede
Mike Becker - El Presdente
Denise Becker
Glen Chancellor
John Buckman - El Hefe Presidente
Kathy Buckman
Craig Cline
Ed Mendez
Scott Miller
Ron Ketchum?
Ralph Suarez?
Craig Chapman?
Bobbie Udell?
Jennifer Udell?
Scott Bohnivert?
Come guys it will be FUN!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ed
Mendez
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 12:26 PM
To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Cars and Coffee Irvine April 12th
Calling all Panteras for Cars and Coffee in Irvine April 12th
7am-9am!
I realize that some of you live far away but just wanted to invite
everyone
on behalf of San Diego Panteras chapter of POCA.
Probably grab breakfast somewhere around there after the event.
Should be a great showing as we have 20+ cars showing already.
Please let me
know if you are planning on joining as we know the person who puts
on the
event and can get front row parking for our Panteras. I hope you
will join
us.
Thanks Ed
Sent from my iPhone 5
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2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
From algisby at hotmail.com Wed Apr 2 02:28:56 2014
From: algisby at hotmail.com (Al Gisby)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 07:28:56 +0100
Subject: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
In-Reply-To: <080701cf4e2a$5a14f6b0$0e3ee410$@comcast.net>
References: ,
<080701cf4e2a$5a14f6b0$0e3ee410$@comcast.net>
Message-ID:
click on 'complete list' after 'Zuk'Al #1925
> From: mbefthomas at comcast.net
> To: lotus0005 at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 21:16:41 -0700
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
>
> And no DeTomaso, or Pantera
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 7:12 AM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
>
> http://www.imcdb.org ---- I ran across this on the Barnfind blog.
> Pictures of cars used in movies. --BILL Lewis
>
>
>
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>
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click on 'complete list' after 'Zuk'
Al
#1925
> From: mbefthomas at comcast.net
> To: lotus0005 at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 21:16:41 -0700
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
>
> And no DeTomaso, or Pantera
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Lewis
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 7:12 AM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
>
> http://www.imcdb.org ---- I ran across this on the Barnfind blog.
> Pictures of cars used in movies. --BILL Lewis
>
>
>
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>
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From damaadams at aol.com Wed Apr 2 07:38:42 2014
From: damaadams at aol.com (Daryl Adams)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 07:38:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - 1957 BBC news story
In-Reply-To: <080601cf4e29$bdb1de50$39159af0$@comcast.net>
References: <4FAD3F4B-8D4E-471B-94CF-7B50E27C768D@aol.com>
<080601cf4e29$bdb1de50$39159af0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8D11C7F3BE6C894-F4C-177E9@webmail-vm039.sysops.aol.com>
I should have added that I don't remember Paar crediting the BBC. All along I thought Paar was a comic genius when he actually had ripped off a three year old piece from the UK.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Thomas
To: 'Daryl Adams' ; 'Larry Finch'
Cc: detomaso
Sent: Tue, Apr 1, 2014 11:15 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - 1957 BBC news story
Was it also on, um, April 1st?
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Daryl Adams
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 5:12 PM
To: Larry Finch
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - 1957 BBC news story
I could swear I saw that same piece, or one just like it, on the original
Tonight Show with Jack Paar in 1960.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Larry Finch wrote:
> Have two or three minutes to spare?
>
> On this day back in 1957, the BBC aired this news story. This is the
> first I've heard of this.
>
> [1]http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
>
> Enjoy ..... ;-)
>
> References
>
> 1. http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
>
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>
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I should have added that I don't remember Paar crediting the BBC. All
along I thought Paar was a comic genius when he actually had ripped off
a three year old piece from the UK.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Thomas
To: 'Daryl Adams' ; 'Larry Finch'
Cc: detomaso
Sent: Tue, Apr 1, 2014 11:15 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - 1957 BBC news story
Was it also on, um, April 1st?
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Daryl Adams
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 5:12 PM
To: Larry Finch
Cc: [2]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - 1957 BBC news story
I could swear I saw that same piece, or one just like it, on the original
Tonight Show with Jack Paar in 1960.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Larry Finch <[3]fresnofinches at aol.com> wrote:
> Have two or three minutes to spare?
>
> On this day back in 1957, the BBC aired this news story. This is the
> first I've heard of this.
>
> [1][4]http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
>
> Enjoy ..... ;-)
>
> References
>
> 1. [5]http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
>
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>
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References
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2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
3. mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
4. http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
5. http://youtu.be/l7yJ8C5TbeY
6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
From pantera at austin.rr.com Wed Apr 2 08:25:02 2014
From: pantera at austin.rr.com (Richard Greenblum)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 07:25:02 -0500
Subject: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
In-Reply-To:
References:
<080701cf4e2a$5a14f6b0$0e3ee410$@comcast.net>
Message-ID:
I think they missed one. I pretty sure I saw one in at least one episode of
"It Takes a Thief" back when that series ran on TV.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: Al Gisby
Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 1:28 AM
To: Mike Thomas , 'Bill Lewis'
, deTomaso List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
click on 'complete list' after 'Zuk'
Al
#1925
> From: mbefthomas at comcast.net
> To: lotus0005 at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 21:16:41 -0700
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
>
> And no DeTomaso, or Pantera
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Lewis
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 7:12 AM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
>
> http://www.imcdb.org ---- I ran across this on the Barnfind blog.
> Pictures of cars used in movies. --BILL Lewis
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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I think they missed one. I pretty sure I saw one in at least one
episode of "It Takes a Thief" back when that series ran on TV.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: Al Gisby <[1]algisby at hotmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 1:28 AM
To: Mike Thomas <[2]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, 'Bill Lewis'
<[3]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, deTomaso List <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
click on 'complete list' after 'Zuk'
Al
#1925
> From: [5]mbefthomas at comcast.net
> To: [6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com; [7]detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 21:16:41 -0700
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
>
> And no DeTomaso, or Pantera
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[8]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Bill
Lewis
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 7:12 AM
> To: [9]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
>
> [10]http://www.imcdb.org ---- I ran across this on the Barnfind
blog.
> Pictures of cars used in movies. --BILL Lewis
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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2. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
3. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com
4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
5. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
6. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com
7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
8. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
10. http://www.imcdb.org/
11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
From adin at frontier.net Wed Apr 2 08:47:50 2014
From: adin at frontier.net (David)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 06:47:50 -0600
Subject: [DeTomaso] =?utf-8?q?Bring_a_Trailer_=C2=BB_Blue-Chip_1969_DeToma?=
=?utf-8?q?so_Mangusta?=
Message-ID: <7690FC98-4A73-40C9-BAFF-EA4862752BF6@frontier.net>
http://bringatrailer.com/2014/04/01/blue-chip-1969-detomaso-mangusta/
Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
From edducati at mac.com Wed Apr 2 12:12:14 2014
From: edducati at mac.com (Ed Mendez)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 09:12:14 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Cars and Coffee Irvine April 12th
In-Reply-To: <2E92DCC4-BE9D-4335-A8D0-DB2FDA8B79B6@mac.com>
References:
<2E92DCC4-BE9D-4335-A8D0-DB2FDA8B79B6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2B205257-C174-4D9A-8772-0E22DAA1F2BE@mac.com>
So far who has RSVP?d to Cars and Coffee from SDP:
Kirk Redding
Bret Gann
Judy Gann
Dave Briggs
Klaus Schoenherr - The Swede
Mike Becker - El Presdente
Denise Becker
Glen Chancellor
John Buckman - El Hefe Presidente
Kathy Buckman
Craig Cline
Ed Mendez
Scott Miller
Ron Ketchum?
Ralph Suarez?
Craig Chapman?
Bobbie Udell?
Jennifer Udell?
Scott Bohnivert?
Come on you know you want to!
On 1/04/2014, at 22:02, Ed Mendez wrote:
> So far who has RSVP?d to Cars and Coffee from SDP:
>
> Bret Gann
> Judy Gann
> Dave Briggs
> Klaus Schoenherr - The Swede
> Mike Becker - El Presdente
> Denise Becker
> Glen Chancellor
> John Buckman - El Hefe Presidente
> Kathy Buckman
> Craig Cline
> Ed Mendez
> Scott Miller
> Ron Ketchum?
> Ralph Suarez?
> Craig Chapman?
> Bobbie Udell?
> Jennifer Udell?
> Scott Bohnivert?
>
> Come guys it will be FUN!!!!
-------------- next part --------------
So far who has RSVP'd to Cars and Coffee from SDP:
Kirk Redding
Bret Gann
Judy Gann
Dave Briggs
Klaus Schoenherr - The Swede
Mike Becker - El Presdente
Denise Becker
Glen Chancellor
John Buckman - El Hefe Presidente
Kathy Buckman
Craig Cline
Ed Mendez
Scott Miller
Ron Ketchum?
Ralph Suarez?
Craig Chapman?
Bobbie Udell?
Jennifer Udell?
Scott Bohnivert?
Come on you know you want to!
On 1/04/2014, at 22:02, Ed Mendez <[1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
So far who has RSVP'd to Cars and Coffee from SDP:
Bret Gann
Judy Gann
Dave Briggs
Klaus Schoenherr - The Swede
Mike Becker - El Presdente
Denise Becker
Glen Chancellor
John Buckman - El Hefe Presidente
Kathy Buckman
Craig Cline
Ed Mendez
Scott Miller
Ron Ketchum?
Ralph Suarez?
Craig Chapman?
Bobbie Udell?
Jennifer Udell?
Scott Bohnivert?
Come guys it will be FUN!!!!
References
1. mailto:edducati at mac.com
From ron at teamecc.com Wed Apr 2 14:00:25 2014
From: ron at teamecc.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 11:00:25 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] [SDP] Re: Cars and Coffee Irvine April 12th
References:
<2E92DCC4-BE9D-4335-A8D0-DB2FDA8B79B6@mac.com>
<2B205257-C174-4D9A-8772-0E22DAA1F2BE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A976E63D11C418CA4517D1C76C3CAF9@Ron>
I will not be going.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Mendez
To: detomaso at poca.com ; San Diego Panteras
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 9:12 AM
Subject: [SDP] Re: [DeTomaso] Cars and Coffee Irvine April 12th
So far who has RSVP'd to Cars and Coffee from SDP:
Kirk Redding
Bret Gann
Judy Gann
Dave Briggs
Klaus Schoenherr - The Swede
Mike Becker - El Presdente
Denise Becker
Glen Chancellor
John Buckman - El Hefe Presidente
Kathy Buckman
Craig Cline
Ed Mendez
Scott Miller
Ron Ketchum?
Ralph Suarez?
Craig Chapman?
Bobbie Udell?
Jennifer Udell?
Scott Bohnivert?
Come on you know you want to!
On 1/04/2014, at 22:02, Ed Mendez wrote:
So far who has RSVP'd to Cars and Coffee from SDP:
Bret Gann
Judy Gann
Dave Briggs
Klaus Schoenherr - The Swede
Mike Becker - El Presdente
Denise Becker
Glen Chancellor
John Buckman - El Hefe Presidente
Kathy Buckman
Craig Cline
Ed Mendez
Scott Miller
Ron Ketchum?
Ralph Suarez?
Craig Chapman?
Bobbie Udell?
Jennifer Udell?
Scott Bohnivert?
Come guys it will be FUN!!!!
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I will not be going.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: [1]Ed Mendez
To: [2]detomaso at poca.com ; [3]San Diego Panteras
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 9:12 AM
Subject: [SDP] Re: [DeTomaso] Cars and Coffee Irvine April 12th
So far who has RSVPd to Cars and Coffee from SDP:
Kirk Redding
Bret Gann
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Dave Briggs
Klaus Schoenherr - The Swede
Mike Becker - El Presdente
Denise Becker
Glen Chancellor
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Kathy Buckman
Craig Cline
Ed Mendez
Scott Miller
Ron Ketchum?
Ralph Suarez?
Craig Chapman?
Bobbie Udell?
Jennifer Udell?
Scott Bohnivert?
Come on you know you want to!
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From garth_rodericks at yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 14:07:42 2014
From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com (Garth Rodericks)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 11:07:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
Message-ID: <1396462062.99654.YahooMailNeo@web122103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
A search for "Pantera" yields some results. ?A few of these were lifted from my website, but there's some new info here that I need to add to my list.
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=&model=pantera
Cheers!
Garth
-------------- next part --------------
A search for "Pantera" yields some results. A few of these were lifted
from my website, but there's some new info here that I need to add to
my list.
[1]http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=&model=pantera
Cheers!
Garth
References
1. http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=&model=pantera
From kenn_green at yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 14:12:09 2014
From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 11:12:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm bushings
to increase caster?
Message-ID: <1396462329.37126.YahooMailNeo@web162506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Can anyone comment of the benefit?and durability of?Marino's offset front control arm?bushings??
Thanks,
Ken
-------------- next part --------------
Can anyone comment of the benefit and durability of Marino's offset
front control arm bushings?
Thanks,
Ken
From cengles at cox.net Wed Apr 2 14:33:48 2014
From: cengles at cox.net (cengles at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 18:33:48 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Message-ID: <1d609f9.91033.14523b7f154.Webtop.0@cox.net>
Dear Ken,
1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees of
positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
stability. Highly recommended
3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
in my opinion.
Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> Can anyone comment of the benefit?and durability of?Marino's offset
> front control arm?bushings??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
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Dear Ken,
1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees of
positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
stability. Highly recommended
3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
in my opinion.
Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's offset
front control armA bushings?A
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
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>
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From thomas at hax.se Wed Apr 2 14:51:39 2014
From: thomas at hax.se (thomas)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:51:39 +0200
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
In-Reply-To: <1396462329.37126.YahooMailNeo@web162506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1396462329.37126.YahooMailNeo@web162506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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I have them on my GT5.
Good quality, no squeal, does not fix tram lining on a GT5.
Good try, but would not do it again on that car.
Thomas
> 2 apr 2014 kl. 20:12 skrev Ken Green :
>
> Can anyone comment of the benefit and durability of Marino's offset
> front control arm bushings?
> Thanks,
> Ken
>
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From mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk Wed Apr 2 15:14:32 2014
From: mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk (Mikael)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 21:14:32 +0200
Subject: [DeTomaso]
=?utf-8?q?Bring_a_Trailer_=C2=BB_Blue-Chip_1969_DeToma?=
=?utf-8?q?so_Mangusta?=
Message-ID: <20140402191432.5849234.43984.5725@mail.tele.dk>
Is it just me or are Mangustas getting ridiculously expensive? The Pantera is a better car, cheaper and easier to live with. And those that want rare pedigree seem to avoid DeTomaso anyway. Until now?
I don't get it... but congrats to those that own one and will retire on the profits...
Sent from my BlackBerry Q10
? Original Message ?
From: David
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To: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Bring a Trailer ? Blue-Chip 1969 DeTomaso Mangusta
http://bringatrailer.com/2014/04/01/blue-chip-1969-detomaso-mangusta/
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From kenn_green at yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 15:29:03 2014
From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 12:29:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
In-Reply-To: <1d609f9.91033.14523b7f154.Webtop.0@cox.net>
References: <1d609f9.91033.14523b7f154.Webtop.0@cox.net>
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Chuck,
??? Marino said they only provide maybe one additional?degree of caster.? Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?? Seems like you can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of shifting?? I'm not sure what the separation between ball joints is, but that looks like less than 2 degrees of added caster?
Ken
________________________________
From: "cengles at cox.net"
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm bushings to increase caster?
? Dear Ken,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2)? The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees of
? positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
? stability.? Highly recommended
? ? ? ? ? ? ? 3)? Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
? in my opinion.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Go buy'em,? Chuck Engles
? On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
? > Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's offset
? front control armA bushings?A
? >
? > Thanks,
? >
? > Ken
? >
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Chuck,
Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
caster. Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?
Seems like you can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of
shifting? I'm not sure what the separation between ball joints is, but
that looks like less than 2 degrees of added caster?
Ken
From: "cengles at cox.net"
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Dear Ken,
1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
of
positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
stability. Highly recommended
3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
in my opinion.
Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
offset
front control armA bushings?A
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From bd8134 at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 15:35:00 2014
From: bd8134 at gmail.com (Brian Dudley)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 15:35:00 -0400
Subject: [DeTomaso] Interesting website _ movie cars
In-Reply-To: <1396462062.99654.YahooMailNeo@web122103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1396462062.99654.YahooMailNeo@web122103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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There is also Phil Stebbings Pantera with the Diet Coke ad and the Orient
Express challenge.
http://www.aston.co.uk/carsales_index/php/action/details/car/1071/De-Tomaso/Pantera
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Garth Rodericks
wrote:
> A search for "Pantera" yields some results. A few of these were lifted
> from my website, but there's some new info here that I need to add to
> my list.
> [1]http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=&model=pantera
> Cheers!
> Garth
>
> References
>
> 1. http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=&model=pantera
>
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There is also Phil Stebbings Pantera with the Diet Coke ad and the
Orient Express challenge.
[1]http://www.aston.co.uk/carsales_index/php/action/details/car/1071/De
-Tomaso/Pantera
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Garth Rodericks
<[2]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
A search for "Pantera" yields some results. A few of these were
lifted
from my website, but there's some new info here that I need to
add to
my list.
[1][3]http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=&model=pantera
Cheers!
Garth
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1. [4]http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=&model=pantera
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2. mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
3. http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=&model=pantera
4. http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=&model=pantera
5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
From julian_kift at hotmail.com Wed Apr 2 15:52:56 2014
From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 12:52:56 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
In-Reply-To:
References: <1396462329.37126.YahooMailNeo@web162506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>,
Message-ID:
I don't have them, but I did modify my upper a-arms to provide an additional 3/4" (7.5 degrees total) caster and it still doesn't fix the tram lining on a GT5!
Julian
> From: thomas at hax.se
> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:51:39 +0200
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm bushings to increase caster?
>
> I have them on my GT5.
>
> Good quality, no squeal, does not fix tram lining on a GT5.
>
> Good try, but would not do it again on that car.
>
> Thomas
>
> > 2 apr 2014 kl. 20:12 skrev Ken Green :
> >
> > Can anyone comment of the benefit and durability of Marino's offset
> > front control arm bushings?
> > Thanks,
> > Ken
> >
> >
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I don't have them, but I did modify my upper a-arms to provide an
additional 3/4" (7.5 degrees total) caster and it still doesn't fix the
tram lining on a GT5!
Julian
> From: thomas at hax.se
> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:51:39 +0200
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
arm bushings to increase caster?
>
> I have them on my GT5.
>
> Good quality, no squeal, does not fix tram lining on a GT5.
>
> Good try, but would not do it again on that car.
>
> Thomas
>
> > 2 apr 2014 kl. 20:12 skrev Ken Green :
> >
> > Can anyone comment of the benefit and durability of Marino's offset
> > front control arm bushings?
> > Thanks,
> > Ken
> >
> >
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From jderyke at aol.com Wed Apr 2 15:53:19 2014
From: jderyke at aol.com (jderyke at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 15:53:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
In-Reply-To: <1396466943.45802.YahooMailNeo@web162506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1d609f9.91033.14523b7f154.Webtop.0@cox.net>
<1396466943.45802.YahooMailNeo@web162506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8D11CC454B22618-1ED0-1935F@webmail-vm022.sysops.aol.com>
With all the upper ball-joint shims on one side PLUS offset upper a-arm bushings, the total negative caster will be around -4.6 or so degrees. If you need more than that, also installing offset LOWER a-arm bushings (offset the other way) adds another couple of negative degrees. Having a machine shop mill about 0.080"-or-so off one side of the upper ball joint carrier can add yet another degree (you'll then need a new 0.080" thick shim). Once the bushings are in place, you can fine-tune the caster setting by moving upper ball-joint shims around. But remember- as caster goes up (negative), steering effort also goes up. Corvettes and other high-speed sports cars run a maximum of -7 degrees caster, but they also use power steering to lessen the resulting steering wheel load.
Judy and I find that - 4.5 degrees is an excellent compromise in our '72L with 245-50 front tires over the maximum stock setting of about -2.6 degrees. And after everything is done, the front wheels will definitely need to be re-aligned. While this is going on, check front brake hose routing so no tire rubbing occurs, and that large tires do not contact the right side wiper shield at full-lock. I've had offset upper bushings in place so long on our car, I can't remember how it steered before.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Green
To: cengles
Cc: detomaso
Sent: Wed, Apr 2, 2014 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm bushings to increase caster?
Chuck,
Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
caster. Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?
Seems like you can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of
shifting? I'm not sure what the separation between ball joints is, but
that looks like less than 2 degrees of added caster?
Ken
From: "cengles at cox.net"
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Dear Ken,
1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
of
positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
stability. Highly recommended
3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
in my opinion.
Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
offset
front control armA bushings?A
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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With all the upper ball-joint shims on one side PLUS offset upper a-arm
bushings, the total negative caster will be around -4.6 or so degrees.
If you need more than that, also installing offset LOWER a-arm bushings
(offset the other way) adds another couple of negative degrees. Having
a machine shop mill about 0.080"-or-so off one side of the upper ball
joint carrier can add yet another degree (you'll then need a new 0.080"
thick shim). Once the bushings are in place, you can fine-tune the
caster setting by moving upper ball-joint shims around. But remember-
as caster goes up (negative), steering effort also goes up. Corvettes
and other high-speed sports cars run a maximum of -7 degrees caster,
but they also use power steering to lessen the resulting steering wheel
load.
Judy and I find that - 4.5 degrees is an excellent compromise in our
'72L with 245-50 front tires over the maximum stock setting of about
-2.6 degrees. And after everything is done, the front wheels will
definitely need to be re-aligned. While this is going on, check front
brake hose routing so no tire rubbing occurs, and that large tires do
not contact the right side wiper shield at full-lock. I've had offset
upper bushings in place so long on our car, I can't remember how it
steered before.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Green
To: cengles
Cc: detomaso
Sent: Wed, Apr 2, 2014 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Chuck,
Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
caster. Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?
Seems like you can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of
shifting? I'm not sure what the separation between ball joints is, but
that looks like less than 2 degrees of added caster?
Ken
From: "[1]cengles at cox.net" <[2]cengles at cox.net>
To: [3]kenn_green at yahoo.com
Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Dear Ken,
1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
of
positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
stability. Highly recommended
3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
in my opinion.
Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
offset
front control armA bushings?A
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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3. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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From thomas at hax.se Wed Apr 2 16:20:57 2014
From: thomas at hax.se (thomas)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:20:57 +0200
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
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Marino's bushings are offset both upper and lower, in opposite directions naturally.
What about shortening the upper A-arm and move the upper ball joint inwards to reduce the scrub radius?
Would this mess up the front end geometry?
Thomas
> 2 apr 2014 kl. 21:53 skrev jderyke at aol.com:
>
> With all the upper ball-joint shims on one side PLUS offset upper a-arm
> bushings, the total negative caster will be around -4.6 or so degrees.
> If you need more than that, also installing offset LOWER a-arm bushings
> (offset the other way) adds another couple of negative degrees. Having
> a machine shop mill about 0.080"-or-so off one side of the upper ball
> joint carrier can add yet another degree (you'll then need a new 0.080"
> thick shim). Once the bushings are in place, you can fine-tune the
> caster setting by moving upper ball-joint shims around. But remember-
> as caster goes up (negative), steering effort also goes up. Corvettes
> and other high-speed sports cars run a maximum of -7 degrees caster,
> but they also use power steering to lessen the resulting steering wheel
> load.
> Judy and I find that - 4.5 degrees is an excellent compromise in our
> '72L with 245-50 front tires over the maximum stock setting of about
> -2.6 degrees. And after everything is done, the front wheels will
> definitely need to be re-aligned. While this is going on, check front
> brake hose routing so no tire rubbing occurs, and that large tires do
> not contact the right side wiper shield at full-lock. I've had offset
> upper bushings in place so long on our car, I can't remember how it
> steered before.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Green
> To: cengles
> Cc: detomaso
> Sent: Wed, Apr 2, 2014 12:30 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
> bushings to increase caster?
> Chuck,
> Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
> caster. Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?
> Seems like you can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of
> shifting? I'm not sure what the separation between ball joints is, but
> that looks like less than 2 degrees of added caster?
> Ken
> From: "[1]cengles at cox.net" <[2]cengles at cox.net>
> To: [3]kenn_green at yahoo.com
> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
> bushings to increase caster?
> Dear Ken,
> 1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
> 2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
> of
> positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
> stability. Highly recommended
> 3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
> in my opinion.
> Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
>> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
> offset
> front control armA bushings?A
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ken
>>
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From cengles at cox.net Wed Apr 2 16:45:44 2014
From: cengles at cox.net (cengles at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:45:44 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
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Dear Ken and Dave,
About twenty years ago, Dennis Quella told me about the
offset bushings. At that time in the Pre-Cambrian Era there were no
"factory" off set bushings and you had to make your own. The first set
I did went on Pantera No. One and I got about 3 degrees positive caster.
I wasn't happy with that and pulled then off and had a custom upper A
arm fabricated for more caster.
I liked the caster benefits so much that I decided I would
convert the old tired rubber bushings on Pantera No. Two to the poly
bushings and I would apply the hacksaw to the the poly with more vigor.
One cuts off as much of the thick end as you dare and then make up the
difference on the other end with appropriately sized fender washers.
Apparently, I hit it on the nose and the alignment shop documented an
impressive positive five degrees caster. Despite the rather aggressive
modification of the bushing into a really serious offset bushing, it has
held up over twenty years and thousands of miles.
One caveat: with positive caster of 4 to 5 degrees
positive and wide tires and stock Pantera fenders, it *is* possible to
have the tire kiss the outer front fender lip.....with unpleasant
results. If you go for the big caster and big tires, then be sure you
roll the fender lip and an early visit to a body man for some very
discrete and gentle fender edge "adjustment" is advised.
The Positive Castor Ambassador, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ken Green wrote:
Chuck,
Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
caster. Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?
Seems like you can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of shifting?
I'm not sure what the separation between ball joints is, but that looks
like less than 2 degrees of added caster?
Ken
From: "cengles at cox.net"
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Dear Ken,
1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
of
positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
stability. Highly recommended
3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable
vendor
in my opinion.
Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
offset
front control armA bushings?A
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
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Dear Ken and Dave,
About twenty years ago, Dennis Quella told me about the
offset bushings. At that time in the Pre-Cambrian Era there were no
"factory" off set bushings and you had to make your own. The first
set I did went on Pantera No. One and I got about 3 degrees positive
caster. I wasn't happy with that and pulled then off and had a custom
upper A arm fabricated for more caster.
I liked the caster benefits so much that I decided I would
convert the old tired rubber bushings on Pantera No. Two to the poly
bushings and I would apply the hacksaw to the the poly with more
vigor. One cuts off as much of the thick end as you dare and then
make up the difference on the other end with appropriately sized fender
washers. Apparently, I hit it on the nose and the alignment shop
documented an impressive positive five degrees caster. Despite the
rather aggressive modification of the bushing into a really serious
offset bushing, it has held up over twenty years and thousands of
miles.
One caveat: with positive caster of 4 to 5 degrees
positive and wide tires and stock Pantera fenders, it *is* possible to
have the tire kiss the outer front fender lip.....with unpleasant
results. If you go for the big caster and big tires, then be sure you
roll the fender lip and an early visit to a body man for some very
discrete and gentle fender edge "adjustment" is advised.
The Positive Castor Ambassador, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ken Green wrote:
Chuck,
Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
caster. Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?
Seems like you can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of
shifting? I'm not sure what the separation between ball joints is, but
that looks like less than 2 degrees of added caster?
Ken
From: "cengles at cox.net"
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Dear Ken,
1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
of
positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
stability. Highly recommended
3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable
vendor
in my opinion.
Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
offset
front control armA bushings?A
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
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From mbefthomas at comcast.net Wed Apr 2 20:07:29 2014
From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 17:07:29 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
arm bushings to increase caster?
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The other thing to do is to move all of the shims on your ball joint to the
forward side. That in combination with the bushings greatly improved my
self-centering even with 245 front tires.
My wife would agree on the self-centering part . . . . ;-)
Mike Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:29 PM
To: cengles at cox.net
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Chuck,
??? Marino said they only provide maybe one additional?degree of caster.?
Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?? Seems like you
can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of shifting?? I'm not sure what
the separation between ball joints is, but that looks like less than 2
degrees of added caster?
Ken
________________________________
From: "cengles at cox.net"
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
? Dear Ken,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2)? The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees of
? positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
? stability.? Highly recommended
? ? ? ? ? ? ? 3)? Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
? in my opinion.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Go buy'em,? Chuck Engles
? On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
? > Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's offset
? front control armA bushings?A
? >
? > Thanks,
? >
? > Ken
? >
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From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:21:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
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Mike,
??? I think installing a camber lock sorta does that?? At least the instructions I have seen look like part of the camber lock acts as?a shim? moving the upper ball joint towards the rear.
Ken
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Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm bushings to increase caster?
The other thing to do is to move all of the shims on your ball joint to the
forward side.? That in combination with the bushings greatly improved my
self-centering even with 245 front tires.
My wife would agree on the self-centering part . . . . ;-)
Mike Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:29 PM
To: cengles at cox.net
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Chuck,
??? Marino said they only provide maybe one additional?degree of caster.?
Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?? Seems like you
can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of shifting?? I'm not sure what
the separation between ball joints is, but that looks like less than 2
degrees of added caster?
Ken
________________________________
From: "cengles at cox.net"
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
?
?? Dear Ken,
? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2)? The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees of
?? positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
?? stability.? Highly recommended
? ? ? ? ? ? ? 3)?? Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
?? in my opinion.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Go buy'em,?? Chuck Engles
?? On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
?? > Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's offset
?? front control armA bushings?A
?? >
?? > Thanks,
?? >
?? > Ken
?? >
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Mike,
I think installing a camber lock sorta does that? At least the
instructions I have seen look like part of the camber lock acts as a
shim moving the upper ball joint towards the rear.
Ken
From: Mike Thomas
To: 'Ken Green' ; cengles at cox.net
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
The other thing to do is to move all of the shims on your ball joint to
the
forward side. That in combination with the bushings greatly improved
my
self-centering even with 245 front tires.
My wife would agree on the self-centering part . . . . ;-)
Mike Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Green
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:29 PM
To: [2]cengles at cox.net
Cc: [3]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Chuck,
Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
caster.
Did you do something more than just make one end thinner? Seems like
you
can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of shifting? I'm not sure
what
the separation between ball joints is, but that looks like less than 2
degrees of added caster?
Ken
________________________________
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To: [6]kenn_green at yahoo.com
Cc: [7]detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Dear Ken,
1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
of
positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
stability. Highly recommended
3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable
vendor
in my opinion.
Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
offset
front control armA bushings?A
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
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7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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From charlesmccall at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 04:23:03 2014
From: charlesmccall at gmail.com (Charles McCall)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 10:23:03 +0200
Subject: [DeTomaso]
=?iso-8859-1?q?Bring_a_Trailer_=BB_Blue-Chip_1969_DeTo?=
=?iso-8859-1?q?maso_Mangusta?=
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The Pantera may be a "better"? car, cheaper and easier to live with than a
Miura, but Price doesn't reflect "cheaper or easier to live with". It
reflects desireability vs. availability.
They are getting very expensive, true. But they are gorgeous cars. I wonder
why they have become more desireable recently? They haven't gotten special
visibility in any f?rum that I can think of...
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Mikael wrote:
> Is it just me or are Mangustas getting ridiculously expensive? The Pantera
> is a better car, cheaper and easier to live with. And those that want rare
> pedigree seem to avoid DeTomaso anyway. Until now?
> I don't get it... but congrats to those that own one and will retire on
> the profits...
>
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> Original Message
> From: David
> Sent: onsdag den 2. april 2014 14.47
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Bring a Trailer ? Blue-Chip 1969 DeTomaso Mangusta
>
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/2014/04/01/blue-chip-1969-detomaso-mangusta/
>
>
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The Pantera may be a "better". car, cheaper and easier to live with
than a Miura, but Price doesn't reflect "cheaper or easier to live
with". It reflects desireability vs. availability.
They are getting very expensive, true. But they are gorgeous cars. I
wonder why they have become more desireable recently? They haven't
gotten special visibility in any forum that I can think of...
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Mikael <[1]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
wrote:
Is it just me or are Mangustas getting ridiculously expensive? The
Pantera is a better car, cheaper and easier to live with. And those
that want rare pedigree seem to avoid DeTomaso anyway. Until now?
I don't get it... but congrats to those that own one and will retire
on the profits...
Sent from my BlackBerry Q10
Original Message
From: David
Sent: onsdag den 2. april 2014 14.47
To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Bring a Trailer >> Blue-Chip 1969 DeTomaso
Mangusta
[3]http://bringatrailer.com/2014/04/01/blue-chip-1969-detomaso-mangu
sta/
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From guson at home.se Thu Apr 3 04:58:10 2014
From: guson at home.se (Tomas Gunnarsson)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 01:58:10 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
armbushings to increase caster?
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You would have to change the knuckle too unless you want crazy camber.
http://www.njstangers.org/attachments/forum/nj-stangers-lounge-67/8080d1
372256075-carbage-camber.jpg
:-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: thomas [thomas at hax.se]
Sent: 2/4/2014 9:20:57 PM
To: jderyke at aol.com
Cc: kenn_green at yahoo.com;detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
armbushings to increase caster?
Marino's bushings are offset both upper and lower, in opposite
directions naturally.
What about shortening the upper A-arm and move the upper ball joint
inwards to reduce the scrub radius?
Would this mess up the front end geometry?
Thomas
> 2 apr 2014 kl. 21:53 skrev jderyke at aol.com:
>
> With all the upper ball-joint shims on one side PLUS offset upper
a-arm
> bushings, the total negative caster will be around -4.6 or so degrees.
> If you need more than that, also installing offset LOWER a-arm
bushings
> (offset the other way) adds another couple of negative degrees. Having
> a machine shop mill about 0.080"-or-so off one side of the upper ball
> joint carrier can add yet another degree (you'll then need a new
0.080"
> thick shim). Once the bushings are in place, you can fine-tune the
> caster setting by moving upper ball-joint shims around. But remember-
> as caster goes up (negative), steering effort also goes up. Corvettes
> and other high-speed sports cars run a maximum of -7 degrees caster,
> but they also use power steering to lessen the resulting steering
wheel
> load.
> Judy and I find that - 4.5 degrees is an excellent compromise in our
> '72L with 245-50 front tires over the maximum stock setting of about
> -2.6 degrees. And after everything is done, the front wheels will
> definitely need to be re-aligned. While this is going on, check front
> brake hose routing so no tire rubbing occurs, and that large tires do
> not contact the right side wiper shield at full-lock. I've had offset
> upper bushings in place so long on our car, I can't remember how it
> steered before.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Green
> To: cengles
> Cc: detomaso
> Sent: Wed, Apr 2, 2014 12:30 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
arm
> bushings to increase caster?
> Chuck,
> Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
> caster. Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?
> Seems like you can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of
> shifting? I'm not sure what the separation between ball joints is, but
> that looks like less than 2 degrees of added caster?
> Ken
> From: "[1]cengles at cox.net" <[2]cengles at cox.net>
> To: [3]kenn_green at yahoo.com
> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
arm
> bushings to increase caster?
> Dear Ken,
> 1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
> 2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
> of
> positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
> stability. Highly recommended
> 3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
> in my opinion.
> Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
>> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
> offset
> front control armA bushings?A
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ken
>>
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> 2. mailto:cengles at cox.net
> 3. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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You would have to change the knuckle too unless you want crazy camber.
[1]http://www.njstangers.org/attachments/forum/nj-stangers-lounge-67/80
80d1372256075-carbage-camber.jpg
:-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: thomas [thomas at hax.se]
Sent: 2/4/2014 9:20:57 PM
To: jderyke at aol.com
Cc: kenn_green at yahoo.com;detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
armbushings to increase caster?
Marino's bushings are offset both upper and lower, in opposite
directions naturally.
What about shortening the upper A-arm and move the upper ball joint
inwards to reduce the scrub radius?
Would this mess up the front end geometry?
Thomas
> 2 apr 2014 kl. 21:53 skrev jderyke at aol.com:
>
> With all the upper ball-joint shims on one side PLUS offset upper
a-arm
> bushings, the total negative caster will be around -4.6 or so
degrees.
> If you need more than that, also installing offset LOWER a-arm
bushings
> (offset the other way) adds another couple of negative degrees.
Having
> a machine shop mill about 0.080"-or-so off one side of the upper ball
> joint carrier can add yet another degree (you'll then need a new
0.080"
> thick shim). Once the bushings are in place, you can fine-tune the
> caster setting by moving upper ball-joint shims around. But remember-
> as caster goes up (negative), steering effort also goes up. Corvettes
> and other high-speed sports cars run a maximum of -7 degrees caster,
> but they also use power steering to lessen the resulting steering
wheel
> load.
> Judy and I find that - 4.5 degrees is an excellent compromise in our
> '72L with 245-50 front tires over the maximum stock setting of about
> -2.6 degrees. And after everything is done, the front wheels will
> definitely need to be re-aligned. While this is going on, check front
> brake hose routing so no tire rubbing occurs, and that large tires do
> not contact the right side wiper shield at full-lock. I've had offset
> upper bushings in place so long on our car, I can't remember how it
> steered before.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Green
> To: cengles
> Cc: detomaso
> Sent: Wed, Apr 2, 2014 12:30 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
arm
> bushings to increase caster?
> Chuck,
> Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
> caster. Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?
> Seems like you can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of
> shifting? I'm not sure what the separation between ball joints is,
but
> that looks like less than 2 degrees of added caster?
> Ken
> From: "[1]cengles at cox.net" <[2]cengles at cox.net>
> To: [3]kenn_green at yahoo.com
> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
arm
> bushings to increase caster?
> Dear Ken,
> 1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
> 2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
> of
> positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
> stability. Highly recommended
> 3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
> in my opinion.
> Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
>> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
> offset
> front control armA bushings?A
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ken
>>
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>>
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> 2. mailto:cengles at cox.net
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> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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From adin at frontier.net Thu Apr 3 05:00:20 2014
From: adin at frontier.net (David)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 03:00:20 -0600
Subject: [DeTomaso]
=?utf-8?q?Bring_a_Trailer_=C2=BB_Blue-Chip_1969_DeToma?=
=?utf-8?q?so_Mangusta?=
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Goose has ways been the most beautiful, IMO. Just a guess----
Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:23 AM, Charles McCall wrote:
> The Pantera may be a "better"? car, cheaper and easier to live with than a Miura, but Price doesn't reflect "cheaper or easier to live with". It reflects desireability vs. availability.
>
> They are getting very expensive, true. But they are gorgeous cars. I wonder why they have become more desireable recently? They haven't gotten special visibility in any f?rum that I can think of...
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Mikael wrote:
>> Is it just me or are Mangustas getting ridiculously expensive? The Pantera is a better car, cheaper and easier to live with. And those that want rare pedigree seem to avoid DeTomaso anyway. Until now?
>> I don't get it... but congrats to those that own one and will retire on the profits...
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Q10
>> Original Message
>> From: David
>> Sent: onsdag den 2. april 2014 14.47
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Bring a Trailer ? Blue-Chip 1969 DeTomaso Mangusta
>>
>>
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2014/04/01/blue-chip-1969-detomaso-mangusta/
>>
>>
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Goose has ways been the most beautiful, IMO. Just a guess----
Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:23 AM, Charles McCall <[1]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
The Pantera may be a "better". car, cheaper and easier to live with
than a Miura, but Price doesn't reflect "cheaper or easier to live
with". It reflects desireability vs. availability.
They are getting very expensive, true. But they are gorgeous cars. I
wonder why they have become more desireable recently? They haven't
gotten special visibility in any forum that I can think of...
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Mikael <[2]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
wrote:
Is it just me or are Mangustas getting ridiculously expensive? The
Pantera is a better car, cheaper and easier to live with. And those
that want rare pedigree seem to avoid DeTomaso anyway. Until now?
I don't get it... but congrats to those that own one and will retire
on the profits...
Sent from my BlackBerry Q10
Original Message
From: David
Sent: onsdag den 2. april 2014 14.47
To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Bring a Trailer >> Blue-Chip 1969 DeTomaso
Mangusta
[4]http://bringatrailer.com/2014/04/01/blue-chip-1969-detomaso-mangu
sta/
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From thomas at hax.se Thu Apr 3 06:39:16 2014
From: thomas at hax.se (Thomas Tornblom)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 12:39:16 +0200
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
armbushings to increase caster?
In-Reply-To:
References:
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haha, yes, that was implied :)
Thomas
2014-04-03 10:58, Tomas Gunnarsson skrev:
> You would have to change the knuckle too unless you want crazy camber.
> http://www.njstangers.org/attachments/forum/nj-stangers-lounge-67/8080d1372256075-carbage-camber.jpg
> :-D
> Tomas
>
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> *From: thomas [thomas at hax.se]*
> Sent: 2/4/2014 9:20:57 PM
> To: jderyke at aol.com
> Cc: kenn_green at yahoo.com;detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
> armbushings to increase caster?
>
> Marino's bushings are offset both upper and lower, in opposite
> directions naturally.
>
> What about shortening the upper A-arm and move the upper ball joint
> inwards to reduce the scrub radius?
>
> Would this mess up the front end geometry?
>
> Thomas
>
> > 2 apr 2014 kl. 21:53 skrev jderyke at aol.com:
> >
> > With all the upper ball-joint shims on one side PLUS offset upper a-arm
> > bushings, the total negative caster will be around -4.6 or so degrees.
> > If you need more than that, also installing offset LOWER a-arm bushings
> > (offset the other way) adds another couple of negative degrees. Having
> > a machine shop mill about 0.080"-or-so off one side of the upper ball
> > joint carrier can add yet another degree (you'll then need a new 0.080"
> > thick shim). Once the bushings are in place, you can fine-tune the
> > caster setting by moving upper ball-joint shims around. But remember-
> > as caster goes up (negative), steering effort also goes up. Corvettes
> > and other high-speed sports cars run a maximum of -7 degrees caster,
> > but they also use power steering to lessen the resulting steering wheel
> > load.
> > Judy and I find that - 4.5 degrees is an excellent compromise in our
> > '72L with 245-50 front tires over the maximum stock setting of about
> > -2.6 degrees. And after everything is done, the front wheels will
> > definitely need to be re-aligned. While this is going on, check front
> > brake hose routing so no tire rubbing occurs, and that large tires do
> > not contact the right side wiper shield at full-lock. I've had offset
> > upper bushings in place so long on our car, I can't remember how it
> > steered before.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Green
> > To: cengles
> > Cc: detomaso
> > Sent: Wed, Apr 2, 2014 12:30 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
> > bushings to increase caster?
> > Chuck,
> > Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
> > caster. Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?
> > Seems like you can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of
> > shifting? I'm not sure what the separation between ball joints is, but
> > that looks like less than 2 degrees of added caster?
> > Ken
> > From: "[1]cengles at cox.net" <[2]cengles at cox.net>
> > To: [3]kenn_green at yahoo.com
> > Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
> > bushings to increase caster?
> > Dear Ken,
> > 1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
> > 2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
> > of
> > positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
> > stability. Highly recommended
> > 3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
> > in my opinion.
> > Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
> >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> >> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
> > offset
> > front control armA bushings?A
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
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> > [4][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. [9]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 2. [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 3. [11]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 4. [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:cengles at cox.net
> > 2. mailto:cengles at cox.net
> > 3. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
> > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
> > 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
> > 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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From guson at home.se Thu Apr 3 07:27:32 2014
From: guson at home.se (Tomas Gunnarsson)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 04:27:32 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
armbushings to increase caster?
Message-ID: <85585F767AED4F3EABB790B71147BB5B@mail2world.com>
When you do that it increases KPI. This leads to increased camber loss
on the outside wheel when you make a turn, this is not desirable.
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Thomas Tornblom [thomas at hax.se]
Sent: 3/4/2014 11:39:16 AM
To: guson at home.se
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
armbushings to increase caster?
haha, yes, that was implied :)
Thomas
2014-04-03 10:58, Tomas Gunnarsson skrev:
> You would have to change the knuckle too unless you want crazy camber.
>
http://www.njstangers.org/attachments/forum/nj-stangers-lounge-67/8080d1
372256075-carbage-camber.jpg
> :-D
> Tomas
>
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> *From: thomas [thomas at hax.se]*
> Sent: 2/4/2014 9:20:57 PM
> To: jderyke at aol.com
> Cc: kenn_green at yahoo.com;detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
> armbushings to increase caster?
>
> Marino's bushings are offset both upper and lower, in opposite
> directions naturally.
>
> What about shortening the upper A-arm and move the upper ball joint
> inwards to reduce the scrub radius?
>
> Would this mess up the front end geometry?
>
> Thomas
>
> > 2 apr 2014 kl. 21:53 skrev jderyke at aol.com:
> >
> > With all the upper ball-joint shims on one side PLUS offset upper
a-arm
> > bushings, the total negative caster will be around -4.6 or so
degrees.
> > If you need more than that, also installing offset LOWER a-arm
bushings
> > (offset the other way) adds another couple of negative degrees.
Having
> > a machine shop mill about 0.080"-or-so off one side of the upper
ball
> > joint carrier can add yet another degree (you'll then need a new
0.080"
> > thick shim). Once the bushings are in place, you can fine-tune the
> > caster setting by moving upper ball-joint shims around. But
remember-
> > as caster goes up (negative), steering effort also goes up.
Corvettes
> > and other high-speed sports cars run a maximum of -7 degrees caster,
> > but they also use power steering to lessen the resulting steering
wheel
> > load.
> > Judy and I find that - 4.5 degrees is an excellent compromise in our
> > '72L with 245-50 front tires over the maximum stock setting of about
> > -2.6 degrees. And after everything is done, the front wheels will
> > definitely need to be re-aligned. While this is going on, check
front
> > brake hose routing so no tire rubbing occurs, and that large tires
do
> > not contact the right side wiper shield at full-lock. I've had
offset
> > upper bushings in place so long on our car, I can't remember how it
> > steered before.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Green
> > To: cengles
> > Cc: detomaso
> > Sent: Wed, Apr 2, 2014 12:30 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
arm
> > bushings to increase caster?
> > Chuck,
> > Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
> > caster. Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?
> > Seems like you can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of
> > shifting? I'm not sure what the separation between ball joints is,
but
> > that looks like less than 2 degrees of added caster?
> > Ken
> > From: "[1]cengles at cox.net" <[2]cengles at cox.net>
> > To: [3]kenn_green at yahoo.com
> > Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
arm
> > bushings to increase caster?
> > Dear Ken,
> > 1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
> > 2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
> > of
> > positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
> > stability. Highly recommended
> > 3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
> > in my opinion.
> > Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
> >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> >> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
> > offset
> > front control armA bushings?A
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. [9]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 2. [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 3. [11]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 4. [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:cengles at cox.net
> > 2. mailto:cengles at cox.net
> > 3. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
> > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
> > 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
> > 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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When you do that it increases KPI. This leads to increased camber loss
on the outside wheel when you make a turn, this is not desirable.
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Thomas Tornblom [thomas at hax.se]
Sent: 3/4/2014 11:39:16 AM
To: guson at home.se
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
armbushings to increase caster?
haha, yes, that was implied :)
Thomas
2014-04-03 10:58, Tomas Gunnarsson skrev:
> You would have to change the knuckle too unless you want crazy
camber.
>
http://www.njstangers.org/attachments/forum/nj-stangers-lounge-67/8080d
1372256075-carbage-camber.jpg
> :-D
> Tomas
>
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> *From: thomas [thomas at hax.se]*
> Sent: 2/4/2014 9:20:57 PM
> To: jderyke at aol.com
> Cc: kenn_green at yahoo.com;detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
> armbushings to increase caster?
>
> Marino's bushings are offset both upper and lower, in opposite
> directions naturally.
>
> What about shortening the upper A-arm and move the upper ball joint
> inwards to reduce the scrub radius?
>
> Would this mess up the front end geometry?
>
> Thomas
>
> > 2 apr 2014 kl. 21:53 skrev jderyke at aol.com:
> >
> > With all the upper ball-joint shims on one side PLUS offset upper
a-arm
> > bushings, the total negative caster will be around -4.6 or so
degrees.
> > If you need more than that, also installing offset LOWER a-arm
bushings
> > (offset the other way) adds another couple of negative degrees.
Having
> > a machine shop mill about 0.080"-or-so off one side of the upper
ball
> > joint carrier can add yet another degree (you'll then need a new
0.080"
> > thick shim). Once the bushings are in place, you can fine-tune the
> > caster setting by moving upper ball-joint shims around. But
remember-
> > as caster goes up (negative), steering effort also goes up.
Corvettes
> > and other high-speed sports cars run a maximum of -7 degrees
caster,
> > but they also use power steering to lessen the resulting steering
wheel
> > load.
> > Judy and I find that - 4.5 degrees is an excellent compromise in
our
> > '72L with 245-50 front tires over the maximum stock setting of
about
> > -2.6 degrees. And after everything is done, the front wheels will
> > definitely need to be re-aligned. While this is going on, check
front
> > brake hose routing so no tire rubbing occurs, and that large tires
do
> > not contact the right side wiper shield at full-lock. I've had
offset
> > upper bushings in place so long on our car, I can't remember how it
> > steered before.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Green
> > To: cengles
> > Cc: detomaso
> > Sent: Wed, Apr 2, 2014 12:30 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
arm
> > bushings to increase caster?
> > Chuck,
> > Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
> > caster. Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?
> > Seems like you can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of
> > shifting? I'm not sure what the separation between ball joints is,
but
> > that looks like less than 2 degrees of added caster?
> > Ken
> > From: "[1]cengles at cox.net" <[2]cengles at cox.net>
> > To: [3]kenn_green at yahoo.com
> > Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
arm
> > bushings to increase caster?
> > Dear Ken,
> > 1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
> > 2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
> > of
> > positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
> > stability. Highly recommended
> > 3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
> > in my opinion.
> > Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
> >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> >> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
> > offset
> > front control armA bushings?A
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> > 2. [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 3. [11]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:cengles at cox.net
> > 2. mailto:cengles at cox.net
> > 3. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
> > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
> > 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
> > 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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From cengles at cox.net Thu Apr 3 08:21:52 2014
From: cengles at cox.net (cengles at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 12:21:52 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [DeTomaso]
=?utf-8?q?Bring_a_Trailer_=C2=BB_Blue-Chip_1969_DeToma?=
=?utf-8?q?so_Mangusta?=
Message-ID: <14f5e10.ce76.1452789c81a.Webtop.0@cox.net>
Dear Charlie,
You wrote:
"The Pantera may be a "better"? car, cheaper and
easier to live with than a
Miura, but Price doesn't reflect "cheaper or
easier to live with". It
reflects desirability vs. availability."
Very observant, succinct and accurate.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> They are getting very expensive, true. But they are gorgeous cars. I
> wonder
> why they have become more desireable recently? They haven't gotten
> special
> visibility in any f?rum that I can think of...
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Mikael
> wrote:
>
>> Is it just me or are Mangustas getting ridiculously expensive? The
>> Pantera
>> is a better car, cheaper and easier to live with. And those that want
>> rare
>> pedigree seem to avoid DeTomaso anyway. Until now?
>> I don't get it... but congrats to those that own one and will retire
>> on
>> the profits...
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Q10
>> Original Message
>> From: David
>> Sent: onsdag den 2. april 2014 14.47
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Bring a Trailer ? Blue-Chip 1969 DeTomaso
>> Mangusta
>>
>>
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2014/04/01/blue-chip-1969-detomaso-mangusta/
>>
>>
>> Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
>>
>>
>>
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Dear Charlie,
You wrote:
"The Pantera may be a "better"A. car, cheaper
and easier to live with than a
Miura, but Price doesn't reflect "cheaper or
easier to live with". It
reflects desirability vs. availability."
Very observant, succinct and accurate.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> They are getting very expensive, true. But they are gorgeous cars. I
wonder
> why they have become more desireable recently? They haven't gotten
special
> visibility in any fA^3rum that I can think of...
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Mikael
wrote:
>
> > Is it just me or are Mangustas getting ridiculously expensive? The
Pantera
> > is a better car, cheaper and easier to live with. And those that
want rare
> > pedigree seem to avoid DeTomaso anyway. Until now?
> > I don't get it... but congrats to those that own one and will
retire on
> > the profits...
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry Q10
> > Original Message
> > From: David
> > Sent: onsdag den 2. april 2014 14.47
> > To: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Bring a Trailer A>> Blue-Chip 1969 DeTomaso
Mangusta
> >
> >
> >
http://bringatrailer.com/2014/04/01/blue-chip-1969-detomaso-mangusta/
> >
> >
> > Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
> >
> >
> >
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From bill at incendium.com Thu Apr 3 10:06:05 2014
From: bill at incendium.com (Bill Moore)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:06:05 +0000
Subject: [DeTomaso]
=?windows-1252?q?Bring_a_Trailer_=BB_Blue-Chip_1969_De?=
=?windows-1252?q?Tomaso_Mangusta?=
In-Reply-To:
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Message-ID: <364728619-1396533963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-900297975-@b4.c6.bise6.blackberry>
"Miura" or "Mangusta"
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles McCall
Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 10:23:03
To: Mikael
Cc: Pantera list serve; David
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
Bring a Trailer ? Blue-Chip 1969 DeTomaso Mangusta
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From michael at michaelshortt.com Thu Apr 3 10:11:53 2014
From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 10:11:53 -0400
Subject: [DeTomaso]
=?iso-8859-1?q?Bring_a_Trailer_=BB_Blue-Chip_1969_DeTo?=
=?iso-8859-1?q?maso_Mangusta?=
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Message-ID:
Pantera better than either, but if I had to choose...the Lambo for the
headlights alone.
Michael
On Apr 3, 2014 10:07 AM, "Bill Moore" wrote:
> "Miura" or "Mangusta"
>
>
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles McCall
> Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014
> 10:23:03
> To: Mikael
> Cc: Pantera list serve; David
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
> Bring a Trailer ? Blue-Chip 1969 DeTomaso Mangusta
>
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>
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Pantera better than either, but if I had to choose...the Lambo for the
headlights alone.
Michael
On Apr 3, 2014 10:07 AM, "Bill Moore" <[1]bill at incendium.com> wrote:
"Miura" or "Mangusta"
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
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2014 10:23:03
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From garth_rodericks at yahoo.com Thu Apr 3 17:30:05 2014
From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com (Garth Rodericks)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:30:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
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This only a test. Please return to regularly scheduled Pantera programming.
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This only a test. Please return to regularly scheduled Pantera
programming.
From bill at incendium.com Thu Apr 3 17:56:12 2014
From: bill at incendium.com (Bill Moore)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 21:56:12 +0000
Subject: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
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Hi Garth.
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
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From tmshinro at aol.com Thu Apr 3 18:22:46 2014
From: tmshinro at aol.com (Tom Shinrock)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 18:22:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
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Still too cold to take wake the Pantera up from it's winter hibernation. Temps are only in the high 30s today with grey skies and lots of wind. Saying we could get snow tonight and tomorrow.
One of these days (hopefully soon) I start playing with the Pantera. First thing I need to do is pull the radiator and find/fix a small leak. I noticed a pool of coolant under it when I was running it to get it ready for winter. Wouldn't you know it decides to start leaking just after I replaced the lower valence.
Tom
5186
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Sent: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
Hi Garth.
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
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Still too cold to take wake the Pantera up from it's winter
hibernation. Temps are only in the high 30s today with grey skies and
lots of wind. Saying we could get snow tonight and tomorrow.
One of these days (hopefully soon) I start playing with the Pantera.
First thing I need to do is pull the radiator and find/fix a small
leak. I noticed a pool of coolant under it when I was running it to
get it ready for winter. Wouldn't you know it decides to start leaking
just after I replaced the lower valence.
Tom
5186
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Moore
To: Garth Rodericks ; DeTomaso Mail List
Sent: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
Hi Garth.
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
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From bill at incendium.com Thu Apr 3 18:30:22 2014
From: bill at incendium.com (Bill Moore)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:30:22 +0000
Subject: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
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We have had DOUBLE the snow this year, and we never had a full chinook melt. It snowed again last night. Forecast is for warming over the next 5-7 days. The city added an additional 40,000 tons of sand, yes 40K tons, the streets won't be cleaned up til July. I've had it with winter.
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
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From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Thu Apr 3 18:46:08 2014
From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 18:46:08 -0400
Subject: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
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We are down to our last few snow piles. Calling for rain/snow so they should
be gone soon. Dam then all the yard work, mud season, flies, mosquitoes,
ants, snakes...oh my
Larry (around 75" so far) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Moore
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:30 PM
To: Tom Shinrock; DeTomaso; detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
We have had DOUBLE the snow this year, and we never had a full chinook melt.
It snowed again last night. Forecast is for warming over the next 5-7 days.
The city added an additional 40,000 tons of sand, yes 40K tons, the streets
won't be cleaned up til July. I've had it with winter.
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
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From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 19:15:30 2014
From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 16:15:30 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
Message-ID: <1F5010CCCBB04DE39C188293017E3966@BOSS3A>
http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
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[1]http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
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2. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
From ihannington286720mi at comcast.net Thu Apr 3 19:29:34 2014
From: ihannington286720mi at comcast.net (Ian Hannington)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 19:29:34 -0400
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
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Should we all get our hopes up (again)............Probably not.
Ian
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Registry Guy
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 7:16 PM
To: List DeTomaso
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
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From wparmele at hotmail.com Thu Apr 3 19:30:54 2014
From: wparmele at hotmail.com (William Parmele)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 19:30:54 -0400
Subject: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
Message-ID:
To Fellow Owners/Enthusiasts,
I am interested in finding someone who can do an excellent job polishing the main and rear cases of my transaxle. I know several of you have polished your transaxle yourselves or have had someone else do this for you. I have had a couple people in the past do this, but was very disappointed with their work. They polished the easy portions of the parts and missed the more difficult " nooks and crannies". Can anyone recommend someone who Is good at performing this service?
Thanks!
Bill Parmele
Gainesville, FL 32653
wparmele at Hotmail.com
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To Fellow Owners/Enthusiasts,
I am interested in finding someone who can do an excellent job
polishing the main and rear cases of my transaxle. I know several of
you have polished your transaxle yourselves or have had someone else do
this for you. I have had a couple people in the past do this, but was
very disappointed with their work. They polished the easy portions of
the parts and missed the more difficult " nooks and crannies". Can
anyone recommend someone who Is good at performing this service?
Thanks!
Bill Parmele
Gainesville, FL 32653
[1]wparmele at Hotmail.com
References
1. mailto:wparmele at Hotmail.com
From jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com Thu Apr 3 19:48:33 2014
From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com (John Taphorn)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 18:48:33 -0500
Subject: [DeTomaso]
=?iso-8859-1?q?Bring_a_Trailer_=BB_Blue-Chip_1969_DeTo?=
=?iso-8859-1?q?maso_Mangusta?=
In-Reply-To:
References: <20140402191432.5849234.43984.5725@mail.tele.dk>
Message-ID: <533DF351.1020607@kingwoodcable.com>
I had the opportunity to drive a Miura. While it was exciting and had a
wonderful exhaust note, I walked away thrilled to own my Pantera. With
our updates, it will run circles around it. However, I still want one
and consider it my personal favorite based on looks.
JT
On 4/3/2014 3:23 AM, Charles McCall wrote:
> The Pantera may be a "better". car, cheaper and easier to live with
> than a Miura, but Price doesn't reflect "cheaper or easier to live
> with". It reflects desireability vs. availability.
>
> They are getting very expensive, true. But they are gorgeous cars. I
> wonder why they have become more desireable recently? They haven't
> gotten special visibility in any forum that I can think of...
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Mikael <[1]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
> wrote:
>
> Is it just me or are Mangustas getting ridiculously expensive? The
> Pantera is a better car, cheaper and easier to live with. And those
> that want rare pedigree seem to avoid DeTomaso anyway. Until now?
> I don't get it... but congrats to those that own one and will retire
> on the profits...
> Sent from my BlackBerry Q10
> Original Message
> From: David
> Sent: onsdag den 2. april 2014 14.47
> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Bring a Trailer >> Blue-Chip 1969 DeTomaso
> Mangusta
> [3]http://bringatrailer.com/2014/04/01/blue-chip-1969-detomaso-mangu
> sta/
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I had the opportunity to drive a Miura. While it was exciting and had
a wonderful exhaust note, I walked away thrilled to own my Pantera.
With our updates, it will run circles around it. However, I still want
one and consider it my personal favorite based on looks.
JT
On 4/3/2014 3:23 AM, Charles McCall wrote:
The Pantera may be a "better". car, cheaper and easier to live with
than a Miura, but Price doesn't reflect "cheaper or easier to live
with". It reflects desireability vs. availability.
They are getting very expensive, true. But they are gorgeous cars. I
wonder why they have become more desireable recently? They haven't
gotten special visibility in any forum that I can think of...
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Mikael [1]<[1]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
wrote:
Is it just me or are Mangustas getting ridiculously expensive? The
Pantera is a better car, cheaper and easier to live with. And those
that want rare pedigree seem to avoid DeTomaso anyway. Until now?
I don't get it... but congrats to those that own one and will retire
on the profits...
Sent from my BlackBerry Q10
Original Message
From: David
Sent: onsdag den 2. april 2014 14.47
To: [[2]2]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Bring a Trailer >> Blue-Chip 1969 DeTomaso
Mangusta
[3][3]http://bringatrailer.com/2014/04/01/blue-chip-1969-detomaso-mangu
sta/
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2. mailto:2]detomaso at poca.com
3. http://bringatrailer.com/2014/04/01/blue-chip-1969-detomaso-mangu
4. mailto:4]DeTomaso at poca.com
5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
6. mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
8. http://bringatrailer.com/2014/04/01/blue-chip-1969-detomaso-mangusta/
9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
From tonydigi at optonline.net Thu Apr 3 21:08:27 2014
From: tonydigi at optonline.net (Tony DiGiovanna)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 21:08:27 -0400
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
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I put them in more than 10 years ago.
I never bothered to do any "before" measurements to compare change in
caster. Also made a crap load of other changes at the same time, so hard to
discern net drivability affect.
However, no complaints about the end game, and I am super surprised that
they show zero signs of deterioration or wear so far.
I'm satisfied.
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 2:12 PM
To: detomaso
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm bushings
to increase caster?
Can anyone comment of the benefit?and durability of?Marino's offset front
control arm?bushings??
Thanks,
Ken
From cengles at cox.net Thu Apr 3 21:38:21 2014
From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 20:38:21 -0500
Subject: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
In-Reply-To:
References:
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Dear William,
I have not had this done, but I would suspect that for a
proper full polish and bling job that you would need to remove the ZF and
send it off to someone with experience and qualifications. Do you expect
to pull the transaxle? Is it already out of the car?
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of William
Parmele
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:31 PM
To: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
To Fellow Owners/Enthusiasts,
I am interested in finding someone who can do an excellent job polishing the
main and rear cases of my transaxle. I know several of you have polished
your transaxle yourselves or have had someone else do this for you. I have
had a couple people in the past do this, but was very disappointed with
their work. They polished the easy portions of the parts and missed the more
difficult " nooks and crannies". Can anyone recommend someone who Is good
at performing this service?
Thanks!
Bill Parmele
Gainesville, FL 32653
wparmele at Hotmail.com
From cengles at cox.net Thu Apr 3 21:44:25 2014
From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 20:44:25 -0500
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
In-Reply-To:
References:
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Dear Chuck,
Well, that is the most promising story of the Pantera's
Second Coming. Good news: ATS seems to have the street and business and
historical credentials to pull this off. Financial?
Good news: performance on paper is satisfactory.
Bad news: while the styling is good, it is not quite up
to Tjaarda standards in my opinion. Good, but not stunning.
Bad news: motivation is by another modern small turbo
charged unit. Good enough for paper performance, but not stunning.
Bad news: we're a difficult bunch to please with the
Pantera's Second Coming
Good news: it might be a home run to a bunch of those
Millenials we were recently discussing on the Forum.
Time will tell, Chuck Engles
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of The DeTomaso
Registry Guy
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:16 PM
To: List DeTomaso
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
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From tecnosound at hotmail.com Thu Apr 3 21:53:56 2014
From: tecnosound at hotmail.com (James coyne)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 18:53:56 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
In-Reply-To: <002f01cf4fa6$909dcd60$b1d96820$@net>
References: ,<002f01cf4fa6$909dcd60$b1d96820$@net>
Message-ID:
I was visiting Lloyd Butfoys shop once and saw a ZF Trans that he had sent out to be polished and was absolutely incredible. Don't know who he uses but it looked awesome.
> From: cengles at cox.net
> To: wparmele at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 20:38:21 -0500
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
>
> Dear William,
>
>
> I have not had this done, but I would suspect that for a
> proper full polish and bling job that you would need to remove the ZF and
> send it off to someone with experience and qualifications. Do you expect
> to pull the transaxle? Is it already out of the car?
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of William
> Parmele
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:31 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
>
> To Fellow Owners/Enthusiasts,
>
> I am interested in finding someone who can do an excellent job polishing the
> main and rear cases of my transaxle. I know several of you have polished
> your transaxle yourselves or have had someone else do this for you. I have
> had a couple people in the past do this, but was very disappointed with
> their work. They polished the easy portions of the parts and missed the more
> difficult " nooks and crannies". Can anyone recommend someone who Is good
> at performing this service?
>
> Thanks!
> Bill Parmele
> Gainesville, FL 32653
> wparmele at Hotmail.com
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I was visiting Lloyd Butfoys shop once and saw a ZF Trans that he had
sent out to be polished and was absolutely incredible. Don't know who
he uses but it looked awesome.
> From: cengles at cox.net
> To: wparmele at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 20:38:21 -0500
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
>
> Dear William,
>
>
> I have not had this done, but I would suspect that for a
> proper full polish and bling job that you would need to remove the ZF
and
> send it off to someone with experience and qualifications. Do you
expect
> to pull the transaxle? Is it already out of the car?
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
William
> Parmele
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:31 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
>
> To Fellow Owners/Enthusiasts,
>
> I am interested in finding someone who can do an excellent job
polishing the
> main and rear cases of my transaxle. I know several of you have
polished
> your transaxle yourselves or have had someone else do this for you. I
have
> had a couple people in the past do this, but was very disappointed
with
> their work. They polished the easy portions of the parts and missed
the more
> difficult " nooks and crannies". Can anyone recommend someone who Is
good
> at performing this service?
>
> Thanks!
> Bill Parmele
> Gainesville, FL 32653
> wparmele at Hotmail.com
>
>
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From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 3 22:31:06 2014
From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 02:31:06 +0000
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
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And, if it does come out, and has some type of 4-cylinder engine, instead of a big Ford/Chev/Hemi - is it a "REAL" Pantera? -BILL L
From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com
To: Detomaso at poca.com
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 16:15:30 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
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And, if it does come out, and has some type of 4-cylinder engine,
instead of a big Ford/Chev/Hemi - is it a "REAL" Pantera? -BILL L
From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com
To: Detomaso at poca.com
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 16:15:30 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
[1]http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
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From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 3 22:38:29 2014
From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 02:38:29 +0000
Subject: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
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<8D11DA25F117234-14D4-2304D@webmail-d170.sysops.aol.com>,
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I was just reading on a real estate blog about how home prices are rising again - DRAMATICALLY - some cities up 20%/year. Homes in south Florida are being bought by South Americans as a money haven. I know that it is pretty hot here in the Houston area. BTW, if any of you have read "RICH DAD/POOR DAD" he posits the home as a liability, not an asset. Interesting to see his viewpoint. From an investment point of view, he is basically correct. (Oh, unless it is going up 20% a year! LOL) --BILL Lewis
> To: tmshinro at aol.com; detomaso-bounces at poca.com; detomaso at poca.com
> From: bill at incendium.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:30:22 +0000
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
>
> We have had DOUBLE the snow this year, and we never had a full chinook melt. It snowed again last night. Forecast is for warming over the next 5-7 days. The city added an additional 40,000 tons of sand, yes 40K tons, the streets won't be cleaned up til July. I've had it with winter.
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Shinrock
> Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 18:22:46
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I was just reading on a real estate blog about how home prices are
rising again - DRAMATICALLY - some cities up 20%/year. Homes in south
Florida are being bought by South Americans as a money haven. I know
that it is pretty hot here in the Houston area. BTW, if any of you
have read "RICH DAD/POOR DAD" he posits the home as a liability, not an
asset. Interesting to see his viewpoint. From an investment point of
view, he is basically correct. (Oh, unless it is going up 20% a year!
LOL) --BILL Lewis
> To: tmshinro at aol.com; detomaso-bounces at poca.com; detomaso at poca.com
> From: bill at incendium.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:30:22 +0000
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
>
> We have had DOUBLE the snow this year, and we never had a full
chinook melt. It snowed again last night. Forecast is for warming over
the next 5-7 days. The city added an additional 40,000 tons of sand,
yes 40K tons, the streets won't be cleaned up til July. I've had it
with winter.
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Shinrock
> Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014
18:22:46
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From julian_kift at hotmail.com Thu Apr 3 23:10:02 2014
From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 20:10:02 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
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Yes, but I think you'll find a lot of those cities were really hit hard during the crash, the percentages are much higher on the way down than the climb back up. Same here in Reno, I moved back in late 2005 and the house I purchased was on the market 4 hours, that's how hot the market was. Then prices dropped 50% during the low, now coming back and up 20%, but even if they come up 50% that's still only 75% of the original price!
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From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 02:38:29 +0000
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
I was just reading on a real estate blog about how home prices are rising again - DRAMATICALLY - some cities up 20%/year. Homes in south Florida are being bought by South Americans as a money haven. I know that it is pretty hot here in the Houston area. BTW, if any of you have read "RICH DAD/POOR DAD" he posits the home as a liability, not an asset. Interesting to see his viewpoint. From an investment point of view, he is basically correct. (Oh, unless it is going up 20% a year! LOL) --BILL Lewis
> To: tmshinro at aol.com; detomaso-bounces at poca.com; detomaso at poca.com
> From: bill at incendium.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:30:22 +0000
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
>
> We have had DOUBLE the snow this year, and we never had a full chinook melt. It snowed again last night. Forecast is for warming over the next 5-7 days. The city added an additional 40,000 tons of sand, yes 40K tons, the streets won't be cleaned up til July. I've had it with winter.
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Shinrock
> Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 18:22:46
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Yes, but I think you'll find a lot of those cities were really hit hard
during the crash, the percentages are much higher on the way down than
the climb back up. Same here in Reno, I moved back in late 2005 and the
house I purchased was on the market 4 hours, that's how hot the market
was. Then prices dropped 50% during the low, now coming back and up
20%, but even if they come up 50% that's still only 75% of the original
price!
Julian
From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com
To: detomaso-bounces at poca.com; detomaso at poca.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 02:38:29 +0000
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
I was just reading on a real estate blog about how home prices are rising again
- DRAMATICALLY - some cities up 20%/year. Homes in south Florida are being boug
ht by South Americans as a money haven. I know that it is pretty hot here in th
e Houston area. BTW, if any of you have read "RICH DAD/POOR DAD" he posits the
home as a liability, not an asset. Interesting to see his viewpoint. From an i
nvestment point of view, he is basically correct. (Oh, unless it is going up 20%
a year! LOL) --BILL Lewis
> To: tmshinro at aol.com; detomaso-bounces at poca.com; detomaso at poca.com
> From: bill at incendium.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:30:22 +0000
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
>
> We have had DOUBLE the snow this year, and we never had a full chinook melt. I
t snowed again last night. Forecast is for warming over the next 5-7 days. The c
ity added an additional 40,000 tons of sand, yes 40K tons, the streets won't be
cleaned up til July. I've had it with winter.
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Shinrock
> Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 18:22:46
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From MikeLDrew at aol.com Thu Apr 3 23:20:13 2014
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 20:20:13 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
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Tom wrote:
Wouldn't you know it decides to start leaking
> just after I replaced the lower valence.
>
>>>I would assume a loose hose clamp or drain cock fitting rather than a radiator issue?
Mike
From mbefthomas at comcast.net Fri Apr 4 00:16:33 2014
From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 21:16:33 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
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No, as the camber adjustment moves the top of the spindle in and out. We're
talking about castor here. Moving the shims to the front of the ball joint
at the top serves to move the top of the spindle to the rear, adding to the
offset top/bottom of the bushings. If you're lucky, your castor will be
even on both sides (don't ask me how I managed to get a car that is . . . ).
Good Luck
Mike
From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 10:21 PM
To: Mike Thomas; cengles at cox.net
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Mike,
I think installing a camber lock sorta does that? At least the
instructions I have seen look like part of the camber lock acts as a shim
moving the upper ball joint towards the rear.
Ken
From: Mike Thomas >
To: 'Ken Green' >;
cengles at cox.net
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
The other thing to do is to move all of the shims on your ball joint to the
forward side. That in combination with the bushings greatly improved my
self-centering even with 245 front tires.
My wife would agree on the self-centering part . . . . ;-)
Mike Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
] On Behalf Of Ken Green
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:29 PM
To: cengles at cox.net
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Chuck,
Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of caster.
Did you do something more than just make one end thinner? Seems like you
can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of shifting? I'm not sure what
the separation between ball joints is, but that looks like less than 2
degrees of added caster?
Ken
________________________________
From: "cengles at cox.net " >
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Dear Ken,
1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees of
positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
stability. Highly recommended
3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable vendor
in my opinion.
Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's offset
front control armA bushings?A
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
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No, as the camber adjustment moves the top of the spindle in and out.
We're talking about castor here. Moving the shims to the front of the
ball joint at the top serves to move the top of the spindle to the
rear, adding to the offset top/bottom of the bushings. If you're
lucky, your castor will be even on both sides (don't ask me how I
managed to get a car that is . . . ).
Good Luck
Mike
From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 10:21 PM
To: Mike Thomas; cengles at cox.net
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Mike,
I think installing a camber lock sorta does that? At least the
instructions I have seen look like part of the camber lock acts as a
shim moving the upper ball joint towards the rear.
Ken
From: Mike Thomas <[1]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
To: 'Ken Green' <[2]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; [3]cengles at cox.net
Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
The other thing to do is to move all of the shims on your ball joint to
the
forward side. That in combination with the bushings greatly improved
my
self-centering even with 245 front tires.
My wife would agree on the self-centering part . . . . ;-)
Mike Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Green
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:29 PM
To: [6]cengles at cox.net
Cc: [7]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Chuck,
Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
caster.
Did you do something more than just make one end thinner? Seems like
you
can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of shifting? I'm not sure
what
the separation between ball joints is, but that looks like less than 2
degrees of added caster?
Ken
________________________________
From: "[8]cengles at cox.net" <[9]cengles at cox.net>
To: [10]kenn_green at yahoo.com
Cc: [11]detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
Dear Ken,
1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
of
positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
stability. Highly recommended
3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable
vendor
in my opinion.
Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
offset
front control armA bushings?A
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
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8. mailto:cengles at cox.net
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From kenn_green at yahoo.com Fri Apr 4 00:33:28 2014
From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 21:33:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
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Mike,
The camber lock includes a thin arm (about 1/8 inch thick) that fits between the upper ball joint and the control arm and acts like a wide shim.
Ken
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From: Mike Thomas
To: 'Ken Green' ; cengles at cox.net
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm bushings to increase caster?
? No, as the camber adjustment moves the top of the spindle in and out.
? We're talking about castor here.? Moving the shims to the front of the
? ball joint at the top serves to move the top of the spindle to the
? rear, adding to the offset top/bottom of the bushings.? If you're
? lucky, your castor will be even on both sides (don't ask me how I
? managed to get a car that is . . . ).
? Good Luck
? Mike
? From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
? Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 10:21 PM
? To: Mike Thomas; cengles at cox.net
? Cc: detomaso at poca.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
? bushings to increase caster?
? Mike,
? ? ? I think installing a camber lock sorta does that?? At least the
? instructions I have seen look like part of the camber lock acts as a
? shim? moving the upper ball joint towards the rear.
? Ken
? From: Mike Thomas <[1]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
? To: 'Ken Green' <[2]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; [3]cengles at cox.net
? Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
? Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:07 PM
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
? bushings to increase caster?
? The other thing to do is to move all of the shims on your ball joint to
? the
? forward side.? That in combination with the bushings greatly improved
? my
? self-centering even with 245 front tires.
? My wife would agree on the self-centering part . . . . ;-)
? Mike Thomas
? -----Original Message-----
? From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ken
? Green
? Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:29 PM
? To: [6]cengles at cox.net
? Cc: [7]detomaso at poca.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
? bushings to increase caster?
? Chuck,
? ? ? Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
? caster.
? Did you do something more than just make one end thinner?? Seems like
? you
? can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of shifting?? I'm not sure
? what
? the separation between ball joints is, but that looks like less than 2
? degrees of added caster?
? Ken
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? To: [10]kenn_green at yahoo.com
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? Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
? bushings to increase caster?
? ? ? Dear Ken,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2)? The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5 degrees
? of
? ? ? positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
? ? ? stability.? Highly recommended
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 3)? Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable
? vendor
? ? ? in my opinion.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Go buy'em,? Chuck Engles
? ? ? On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
? ? ? > Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
? offset
? ? ? front control armA bushings?A
? ? ? >
? ? ? > Thanks,
? ? ? >
? ? ? > Ken
? ? ? >
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Mike,
The camber lock includes a thin arm (about 1/8 inch thick) that fits
between the upper ball joint and the control arm and acts like a wide
shim.
Ken
From: Mike Thomas
To: 'Ken Green' ; cengles at cox.net
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
No, as the camber adjustment moves the top of the spindle in and out.
We're talking about castor here. Moving the shims to the front of
the
ball joint at the top serves to move the top of the spindle to the
rear, adding to the offset top/bottom of the bushings. If you're
lucky, your castor will be even on both sides (don't ask me how I
managed to get a car that is . . . ).
Good Luck
Mike
From: Ken Green [mailto:[1]kenn_green at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 10:21 PM
To: Mike Thomas; [2]cengles at cox.net
Cc: [3]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
arm
bushings to increase caster?
Mike,
I think installing a camber lock sorta does that? At least the
instructions I have seen look like part of the camber lock acts as a
shim moving the upper ball joint towards the rear.
Ken
From: Mike Thomas <[1][4]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
To: 'Ken Green' <[2][5]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; [3][6]cengles at cox.net
Cc: [4][7]detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
arm
bushings to increase caster?
The other thing to do is to move all of the shims on your ball joint
to
the
forward side. That in combination with the bushings greatly improved
my
self-centering even with 245 front tires.
My wife would agree on the self-centering part . . . . ;-)
Mike Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5][8]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Ken
Green
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:29 PM
To: [6][9]cengles at cox.net
Cc: [7][10]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
arm
bushings to increase caster?
Chuck,
Marino said they only provide maybe one additional degree of
caster.
Did you do something more than just make one end thinner? Seems like
you
can only get maybe 1/8 inch (1/4 inch total) of shifting? I'm not
sure
what
the separation between ball joints is, but that looks like less than
2
degrees of added caster?
Ken
________________________________
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To: [10][13]kenn_green at yahoo.com
Cc: [11][14]detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control
arm
bushings to increase caster?
Dear Ken,
1) no experience with Marino's offset bushings
2) The offset homemade bushings I have provide 5
degrees
of
positive caster with major improvement in handling and high speed
stability. Highly recommended
3) Marino is a good guy and a reliable, reputable
vendor
in my opinion.
Go buy'em, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> Can anyone comment of the benefitA and durability ofA Marino's
offset
front control armA bushings?A
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
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From edducati at mac.com Fri Apr 4 02:49:09 2014
From: edducati at mac.com (Ed Mendez)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 23:49:09 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for a dipstick,
drivers side window vertical trim moulding, etc
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Need a 38-5/8? dipstick for my Pantera. Anyone have an extra they want to sell? If not, then just one that works. Not really looking for a factory correct one, just a metal handle not plastic.
Need the chrome trim piece for the drivers side door inside rear vertical.
Need passenger side door handle bucket , or the set. Would like the Billet ones, I heard that they make some that actually follows the contour of the body? Scott Bell?
Thanks, Ed
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 04:08:46 -0500
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings to increase caster?
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I agreed . I have had them on my car for a few. No measurement before and
after but I have been very happy with them
On Friday, April 4, 2014, Tony DiGiovanna wrote:
> I put them in more than 10 years ago.
> I never bothered to do any "before" measurements to compare change in
> caster. Also made a crap load of other changes at the same time, so hard
> to
> discern net drivability affect.
> However, no complaints about the end game, and I am super surprised that
> they show zero signs of deterioration or wear so far.
> I'm satisfied.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com ] On
> Behalf Of Ken Green
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 2:12 PM
> To: detomaso
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
> bushings
> to increase caster?
>
> Can anyone comment of the benefit and durability of Marino's offset front
> control arm bushings?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
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I agreed . I have had them on my car for a few. No measurement before
and after but I have been very happy with them
On Friday, April 4, 2014, Tony DiGiovanna <[1]tonydigi at optonline.net>
wrote:
I put them in more than 10 years ago.
I never bothered to do any "before" measurements to compare change
in
caster. Also made a crap load of other changes at the same time, so
hard to
discern net drivability affect.
However, no complaints about the end game, and I am super surprised
that
they show zero signs of deterioration or wear so far.
I'm satisfied.
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Ken Green
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 2:12 PM
To: detomaso
Subject: [DeTomaso] Any experience with Marino's offset control arm
bushings
to increase caster?
Can anyone comment of the benefit and durability of Marino's offset
front
control arm bushings?
Thanks,
Ken
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From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 06:17:46 -0400
Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for a dipstick,
drivers side window vertical trim moulding, etc
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As far as a dipstick goes, I went to Advance Auto Parts and bought a chrome
handled generic metal dipstick (Mr. Gasket) and the longest flexible spring
type dip stick they had in stock, neither of course was long enough. Cut
the bottom 3.5" off the chrome one and brazed it to the bottom of the
spring dipstick and the measured the balance of the chrome dipstick with
the handle end, cut off the bottom part that was not needed and brazed the
handle end onto the other end of the spring dip stick.
Works like a champ.
Michael Shortt.
On Apr 4, 2014 2:50 AM, "Ed Mendez" wrote:
> Need a 38-5/8" dipstick for my Pantera. Anyone have an extra they want to
> sell? If not, then just one that works. Not really looking for a factory
> correct one, just a metal handle not plastic.
>
> Need the chrome trim piece for the drivers side door inside rear vertical.
>
> Need passenger side door handle bucket , or the set. Would like the Billet
> ones, I heard that they make some that actually follows the contour of the
> body? Scott Bell?
>
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As far as a dipstick goes, I went to Advance Auto Parts and bought a
chrome handled generic metal dipstick (Mr. Gasket) and the longest
flexible spring type dip stick they had in stock, neither of course was
long enough. Cut the bottom 3.5" off the chrome one and brazed it to
the bottom of the spring dipstick and the measured the balance of the
chrome dipstick with the handle end, cut off the bottom part that was
not needed and brazed the handle end onto the other end of the spring
dip stick.
Works like a champ.
Michael Shortt.
On Apr 4, 2014 2:50 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
Need a 38-5/8" dipstick for my Pantera. Anyone have an extra they
want to sell? If not, then just one that works. Not really looking
for a factory correct one, just a metal handle not plastic.
Need the chrome trim piece for the drivers side door inside rear
vertical.
Need passenger side door handle bucket , or the set. Would like the
Billet ones, I heard that they make some that actually follows the
contour of the body? Scott Bell?
Thanks, Ed
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From: pantera at austin.rr.com (Richard Greenblum)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 06:24:17 -0500
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
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Looks to me like it takes a lot of cues from the Ford GT, inside and out.
Richard
Austin, TX
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Looks to me like it takes a lot of cues from the Ford GT, inside and
out.
Richard
Austin, TX
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From tmshinro at aol.com Fri Apr 4 09:26:09 2014
From: tmshinro at aol.com (Tom Shinrock)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 09:26:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
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Polished ZFs do look nice but I always wondered how long they stay looking like that. Is a clear coat sprayed on after the polish? Otherwise I would suspect that it would oxidize eventually.
Tom
5186
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From: James coyne
To: detomaso
Sent: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
I was visiting Lloyd Butfoys shop once and saw a ZF Trans that he had
sent out to be polished and was absolutely incredible. Don't know who
he uses but it looked awesome.
> From: cengles at cox.net
> To: wparmele at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 20:38:21 -0500
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
>
> Dear William,
>
>
> I have not had this done, but I would suspect that for a
> proper full polish and bling job that you would need to remove the ZF
and
> send it off to someone with experience and qualifications. Do you
expect
> to pull the transaxle? Is it already out of the car?
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
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> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
William
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> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:31 PM
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
>
> To Fellow Owners/Enthusiasts,
>
> I am interested in finding someone who can do an excellent job
polishing the
> main and rear cases of my transaxle. I know several of you have
polished
> your transaxle yourselves or have had someone else do this for you. I
have
> had a couple people in the past do this, but was very disappointed
with
> their work. They polished the easy portions of the parts and missed
the more
> difficult " nooks and crannies". Can anyone recommend someone who Is
good
> at performing this service?
>
> Thanks!
> Bill Parmele
> Gainesville, FL 32653
> wparmele at Hotmail.com
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Polished ZFs do look nice but I always wondered how long they stay
looking like that. Is a clear coat sprayed on after the polish?
Otherwise I would suspect that it would oxidize eventually.
Tom
5186
-----Original Message-----
From: James coyne
To: detomaso
Sent: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
I was visiting Lloyd Butfoys shop once and saw a ZF Trans that he had
sent out to be polished and was absolutely incredible. Don't know who
he uses but it looked awesome.
> From: cengles at cox.net
> To: wparmele at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 20:38:21 -0500
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
>
> Dear William,
>
>
> I have not had this done, but I would suspect that for a
> proper full polish and bling job that you would need to remove the ZF
and
> send it off to someone with experience and qualifications. Do you
expect
> to pull the transaxle? Is it already out of the car?
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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William
> Parmele
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:31 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Recommendations for ZF Polishing Services
>
> To Fellow Owners/Enthusiasts,
>
> I am interested in finding someone who can do an excellent job
polishing the
> main and rear cases of my transaxle. I know several of you have
polished
> your transaxle yourselves or have had someone else do this for you. I
have
> had a couple people in the past do this, but was very disappointed
with
> their work. They polished the easy portions of the parts and missed
the more
> difficult " nooks and crannies". Can anyone recommend someone who Is
good
> at performing this service?
>
> Thanks!
> Bill Parmele
> Gainesville, FL 32653
> wparmele at Hotmail.com
>
>
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From tmshinro at aol.com Fri Apr 4 09:37:56 2014
From: tmshinro at aol.com (Tom Shinrock)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 09:37:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Coolant leak
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Yes, I'm hoping that's what my problem is. The puddle is on the opposite side of the drain cock by the in/out tubes but that doesn't necessarily mean that's where the leak is. Once it warms up, I'll put the car on the lift, let it warm up and start looking real close to try and find where the leak is at. I looked at the hose clamps before I put it away and didn't see any signs of leaks but I didn't have as good a vantage position as when it is on the lift.
I have a brass Hall radiator (I think is was called the Phoenix model) that is 25 years old. It's been repaired at least twice over the years. The most recent was about 4 years ago when a small trickle leak developed along the end tank seam. Can these radiators become weak as they age?
Tom
5186
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From: Mike Drew
To: Tom Shinrock
Cc: detomaso
Sent: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
Tom wrote:
Wouldn't you know it decides to start leaking
> just after I replaced the lower valence.
>
>>>I would assume a loose hose clamp or drain cock fitting rather than a
radiator issue?
Mike
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Yes, I'm hoping that's what my problem is. The puddle is on the
opposite side of the drain cock by the in/out tubes but that doesn't
necessarily mean that's where the leak is. Once it warms up, I'll put
the car on the lift, let it warm up and start looking real close to try
and find where the leak is at. I looked at the hose clamps before I
put it away and didn't see any signs of leaks but I didn't have as good
a vantage position as when it is on the lift.
I have a brass Hall radiator (I think is was called the Phoenix model)
that is 25 years old. It's been repaired at least twice over the
years. The most recent was about 4 years ago when a small trickle leak
developed along the end tank seam. Can these radiators become weak as
they age?
Tom
5186
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew
To: Tom Shinrock
Cc: detomaso
Sent: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
Tom wrote:
Wouldn't you know it decides to start leaking
> just after I replaced the lower valence.
>
>>>I would assume a loose hose clamp or drain cock fitting rather than a
radiator issue?
Mike
From grayjim at att.net Fri Apr 4 09:45:36 2014
From: grayjim at att.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 06:45:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
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Wow, Larry, 75"?? That is bragging!
From: Larry - Ohio Time
To: bill at incendium.com; 'Tom Shinrock' ; 'DeTomaso' ; detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
We are down to our last few snow piles. Calling for rain/snow so they should
be gone soon. Dam then all the yard work, mud season, flies, mosquitoes,
ants, snakes...oh my
Larry (around 75" so far) - Cleveland
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Moore
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:30 PM
To: Tom Shinrock; DeTomaso; detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
We have had DOUBLE the snow this year, and we never had a full chinook melt.
It snowed again last night. Forecast is for warming over the next 5-7 days.
The city added an additional 40,000 tons of sand, yes 40K tons, the streets
won't be cleaned up til July. I've had it with winter.
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
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Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 18:22:46
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Wow, Larry, 75"? That is bragging!
From: Larry - Ohio Time
To: bill at incendium.com; 'Tom Shinrock' ; 'DeTomaso'
; detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
We are down to our last few snow piles. Calling for rain/snow so they
should
be gone soon. Dam then all the yard work, mud season, flies,
mosquitoes,
ants, snakes...oh my
Larry (around 75" so far) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Moore
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:30 PM
To: Tom Shinrock; DeTomaso; [2]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test. The list is quiet today...
We have had DOUBLE the snow this year, and we never had a full chinook
melt.
It snowed again last night. Forecast is for warming over the next 5-7
days.
The city added an additional 40,000 tons of sand, yes 40K tons, the
streets
won't be cleaned up til July. I've had it with winter.
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
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3. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com
4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
From tmshinro at aol.com Fri Apr 4 09:51:42 2014
From: tmshinro at aol.com (Tom Shinrock)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 09:51:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
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My first thought was it looked like a Noble M12 with a little McLaren F1 thrown in (rear hatch).
Tom
5186
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
Looks to me like it takes a lot of cues from the Ford GT, inside and
out.
Richard
Austin, TX
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Date: Thursday, April 3, 2014 6:15 PM
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
[1][3]http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
[2][4]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
References
1.
[5]http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
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4. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
5. http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
6. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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My first thought was it looked like a Noble M12 with a little McLaren
F1 thrown in (rear hatch).
Tom
5186
-----Original Message-----
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To: List DeTomaso
Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 6:25 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
Looks to me like it takes a lot of cues from the Ford GT, inside and
out.
Richard
Austin, TX
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Date: Thursday, April 3, 2014 6:15 PM
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
[1][3][3]http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
[2][4][4]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
References
1.
[5][5]http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
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2. [10]mailto:detomaso at poca.com
3. [11]http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
4. [12]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
5. [13]http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
6. [14]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
7. [15]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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3. http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
4. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
5. http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
6. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
9. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com?
10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com?
11. http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
12. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
13. http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140403-the-return-of-the-pantera
14. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
From asajay at asajay.com Fri Apr 4 10:04:10 2014
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 07:04:10 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera news makes the BBC front page
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Did anyone else actually READ the article? The photos are NOT of a
proposed new Pantera, they are of a car that maker already makes and
markets. The thought behind showing the photos was to give the reader
an idea of what that company has built as an insight to how they might
look at designing a new Pantera. But what they show in the photos is
NOT a new Pantera.
At this point it's all still vaporware and they may never build one.
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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On 4/4/2014 6:51 AM, Tom Shinrock wrote:
> My first thought was it looked like a Noble M12 with a little McLaren
> F1 thrown in (rear hatch).
>
> Tom
> 5186
>
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