[DeTomaso] Gas Monkey Garage Orange Pantera

Mon Sep 9 21:48:05 EDT 2013

Gentlemen,I appreciate your thoughts on my ex-Pantera.Lack of money was a
large part of why I sold the Pantera.One nice part of my life was that this
Pantera was my fifth Pantera.At one time,I owned a 1971,and a 1973 at the
same time.No garage,so they sat on the street with a new Trans Am rounding
out the group.I owned one of the first new 1971 Panteras in the Midwest
from a Lincoln Mercury dealer in Rock Island,Ill.Of course,I also owned one
of the first AMC Gremlins and later a woody Pacer.I admit I am crazy,but it
is car crazy.Thanks for my rant.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Dick Koch <arkoch at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Boyd, stating the obvious and having an honest discussion about a car's
> condition has nothing to do with disrespect for a prior owner.  If they
> take offense to honest assessments from a group of the very
> knowledgeable gearheads that roam this forum, such is life.
>
> Based on what I saw on the show, and knowing what happens when a Pantera
> sits for a long time, the car had some expensive issues to deal with
> that would make the car an expensive restoration.  This is true for any
> car, but more so with an early Pantera with it's untreated from the
> factory unibody construction.  With that said and with Panteras now
> coming of age and the price increasing, the expense incurred for
> restoration may be worth the exercise for someone ready to put the time
> and money into the rebuild.
>
> Regardless, the car had major issues. I think that anyone that has
> worked on or restored a Pantera knows full well that a Pantera that has
> been "inactive" for 30 or more years will take a lot of work to make it
> a reliable driver.
>
> As GW said in his post on the subject, "The car looks like a good
> restoration candidate but it is what it is; and
> that is not a car which you can charge the battery, polish the paint
> then sell as a running car."
>
> First, any ZF that sits for years will more than likely have the top of
> the gears rusted from condensation and will need a full rebuild. The
> engine, as shown in the show with internal rust issues, would need a
> complete rebuild. The radiator and cooling system will more than likely
> need major work, let alone the AC system and all it's components, as
> well as the electrical system.    All rubber (hoses, trim, grommets,
> bushings, etc.) should/would need to be replaced. The brake calipers, if
> not completely frozen, would need to be completely rebuilt. Aside from
> the rust issues shown on the show, those rust issues, for anyone with
> experience with Panteras, were probably the tip of the iceberg.
>
> It will be interesting to see how much the winning bidder pays for the
> car, and then to be able to get an honest assessment from him/her on the
> issues they will be facing to get the car in decent driving shape.
> Whatever the buyer pays for the car, it will take that much, and more
> than likely much more than that, to get it back to basic reliable stock
> condition.
>
> Dick Koch - Atlanta
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/9/2013 12:38 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:
> > I think the previous owner that sold the orange Pantera to Gas Monkey
> feels
> > his car has been shown in a bad light.  Robert Rawlings has made
> > disparaging remarks concerning the owners representation of the car and
> in
> > doing so has impugn the sellers integrity.
> >   Since the previous owner has chosen to join our blog ( or may have
> been a
> > member) I think it would be nice if we ceased making disparaging remarks
> > about his former car. He must have had some warm feelings for it to have
> > kept it for 33 years in spite of the fact that his handicap prevented him
> > from driving it ( and his finances may have kept him from restoring it)
> he
> > still kept it for 33 years. So out of respect to an old handicapped
> > Panteraowner who had an old handicapped
> > Pantera lets be our normal welcoming and compassionate selves and be glad
> > that this once fine automobile is going to be resurrected (hopefully)
> > instead of being crushed or parted out.
> > Boyd
> > P.S. Richard Rawlings is a speculator who doesn't personally work on or
> > even design the cars his shop flips. He had his obese flunky ( who's
> > Panteraknowledge could be printed with a crayon on the back of a
> > matchbook) give
> > the car a quick "once over" and decided it wouldn't be profitable to
> > restore this car. I know he operates a business and must make decisions
> > based on business parameters but if he or his staff were better informed
> > about Panteras  they may have found a way to show what they are really
> made
> > off and if  they really do possess skills and talent necessary to
> undertake
> > a car that is a little bit more challenging then the typical muscle car
> > they deal with. But perhaps that's exactly what they did by just giving
> up!
> > ( And I do enjoy watching the show, if they had done this Pantera I could
> > have become a hard core Gas Monkey Fan!)
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 11:37 AM, rhey1950 <rhey1950 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The orange Pantera on Ebay used to belong to me.It is not as bad as
> people
> >> think.I was the second owner and the miles are legit.I am handicapped
> now
> >> and can't drive,so I sold the car to Fast and Loud with the intent of
> them
> >> fixing the car.Whoever gets the car will need to spend time and
> money,but
> >> will come out with a nice Pantera.I needed a roof and the Pantera sale
> paid
> >> for it.My congratulations to the new owner of this car,and yes,it sat
> for
> >> over 33 years in my garage.Take care to all!
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 7:03 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
> >> michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The bids are over 23K with 4 days and 20 hours left to go.
> >>>
> >>> Michael Shortt
> >>> On Sep 7, 2013 8:15 AM, "bill gaino" <gaino at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Rust bucket, that baby looks a hellofalot better that what I'm working
> >>>> on..I'll go,27800
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Sep 6, 2013 10:20 PM
> >>>>> To: detomaso at poca.com
> >>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Gas Monkey Garage Orange Pantera
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The orange rust bucket L Pantera that was on the show last week is
> now
> >>> on
> >>>>> eBay , 20 bids so far, up to almost 20k with 6 days left to go.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Let's start a pool, closet guess w/o going over of the final sales
> >>> price.
> >>>>> My guess is $27,100
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michael Shortt
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