[DeTomaso] [TPR] Pantera Winter Projects???
michael@michaelshortt.com
michaelsavga at gmail.com
Sun Nov 3 09:16:03 EST 2013
I hope to do the following.
1) Repair broken speedo cable.
2) Have all 4 bumpers rechromed.
3) Installing a permanent Valentine One power cord.
4) Installing 2)12v and 1) USB hidden power outlets in the cabin.
5) Installing the new steering rack I bought last year.
6) Seriously considering the
balance of the GTS paint scheme ( my hood is already black).
Michael Shortt
On Nov 3, 2013 9:08 AM, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> Dear Dennis: Engine dyno. Someday, I’d like to get it to a chassis dyno
> for a bit of testing and tuning. Oh, well. Warmest regards, Chuck
> Engles
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Teampantera [mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 03, 2013 1:08 AM
> *To:* Charles Engles; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Pantera Winter Projects???
>
>
>
> AWSOME...485 on chassis or engine dyno?
>
> Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> >Dear Dennis,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Stock stroke 351C bored only twenty over with RaceTec custom
> pistons, stock connecting rods (polished and shotpeened) on a stock crank
> modified by Mile High Cranks with modest lightening and rifle drilling the
> journals, external balance.
> >
> >
> >
> > Valve train is flat tappet hydraulics with bushed lifter
> bores, Crane Gold Roller rockers, beehive springs and small diameter,
> hollow Ferrea stainless steel springs with titanium retainers. Cam has
> not been finalized, but will likely be a four pattern cam. Dan Jones was
> consulted on cam recommendations.
> >
> >
> >
> > Quench heads ported and polished and modified with Funnel Web
> port stuffers. Flow tests show 305-309 cfm *with* the stuffers in place.
> Funnel Web intake manifold with port matching and custom hand cut intake
> manifold gaskets. Exhaust ports will use the Stingers that the Dan Jones
> Great Dyno Project showed were good for 5-10 hp
> >
> >
> >
> > Cooling: custom built Boss 302 water pump with cast curved
> vane impeller, ported and port matched front block, front engine cover and
> water pump.
> >
> >
> >
> > Oiling: ported and polished stock pressure and volume pump
> >
> >
> >
> > MSD 8577 distributor with verified timing
> >
> >
> >
> > Engine specific Holley 4150 carb rebuilt by Chuck Nuytton in
> DFW.
> >
> >
> >
> > My last engine was of a similar configuration with a Holley
> Strip Dominator intake. Dynoed at 485 hp on pump gas. I *estimate* that
> the Funnelweb induction and four pattern cam plus the usual dyno tuning
> should put me darn close to 500 hp on an engine with stock stroke, iron
> heads, hydraulic lifters and pump gas. The rpm limit I am shooting for is
> a minimum of 6500. I hope it will pull reliably without valve float to
> 7000 rpm. I think I can pull it off. With a bit of luck, I might have
> it done by May or June next year.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: Mad Dog Antenucci [mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com<teampantera at yahoo.com>]
>
> >Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 2:06 PM
> >To: Charles Engles; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> >Subject: Re: [TPR] Pantera Winter Projects???
> >
> >
> >
> >On engine...Mark III engine?
> >
> >Wot is the build & power?
> >
> >
> >
> >On paint the guy.... I am going to said he had a talk with State
> pollution person who came by his shop for inspection and he asked him WHY
> they were focusing on what little pollution that might be coming out of his
> paint shop when up and down Highway 99 and the I-5 are illegal truckers
> contributing to 99% of the pollution....he said the G-man said,
> >
> >"Because we know where YOU are at"....its like yea we'll pick the low
> hanging fruit first.....yea one more agency along with the TSA that should
> have their feathers clipped or eliminated...okay before I piss off anyone
> let me move on to coatings...
> >
> >
> >
> >I am using ceremic coating on my 180's again as well....ya can't run at
> WOT for long before they fade....I like the bling but they are still
> functional even after the bling fades.
> >
> >
> >
> >On $$$$ decklids I will check with DennisQ....maybe offset purchase of
> steel decklid with sale of my CF hood and the Davis cup radiator.....I am
> gonna keep the IR-EFI so it will get cut and then cut again for the reverse
> louvers like I had on the old steel hood which blew off 4-5 years ago at
> SS....Yea it folded in half when it landed....you can find it somewhere
> buried in the desert next to cow pies 17 miles into the H318 run.....I had
> about 4-5 hours to sit out there and dig the burial hole with a spoon
> waiting for all the cars to complete their run ....yea it was ugly. Decided
> I would never sell that to anyone...so I jumped up and down on it for an
> hour before burial. ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >And on the $$$ Davis Cup Radiator....its not even about cooling anymore
> as I am 'slowing' down into semi-race retirement ;-)))....I will be content
> to just go up and 'look' fast in the Pantera at SS in future and tell
> everyone how I used to go 200 mph! ;-).....seriously .you may have missed
> what I said before on the 'decision' originally to go to a CF custom hood.
> >
> >
> >
> >It was because I first got a 'deal' on the new Davis Cup radiator from
> one of the Forum guys (Green?)...it was brand new, still in a box and it
> worked great for ORR...not so great for street as it was too
> efficient.....it was never built for a Pantera....it was so big that when
> Dick and I measured it for use in the Pantera we immediately realized even
> though Dick had to tell me 3-4 times that it was too wide and too TALL that
> we would not be able to use the 'stock' hood....
> >
> >
> >
> >Even then Dick had to hot rod it in to fit.....a 'shoe-horn' fit for the
> front end to make it fit....Dick had cut clips and lean it as far forwad as
> he could get it and ran new plumbing....and he did a beautiful job.....and
> to keep that CF hood on at 150+ MPH I had to tape it down before every
> ORR....the hood was fine at low to freeway to 100 mph speeds but air
> started creeping under it around center and lifting....it never came off
> but then I never ran the CF on the Pantera at ORR speeds.... it was a
> compromise on design as I did not want to turn Dick loose with his cutting
> torch on the front bulkhead or cutting the underside of the stock
> hood....and honestly I missed the look of the steel hood with the reverse
> Hall vents on it....and I found out about a year or two ago that DennisQ
> was able to get Ron Davis to build a 2-pass rad that would drop right into
> place in the Pantera so why have anything else....and someone like Mark or
> Rich are still in the pack to run 200 mph so I will be there with them to
> cheer them on....and I may come back later to run fast again but if I do
> Quella's 2-pass that drops right in will do the job for serious orr cooling.
> >
> >Image removed by sender. *:D big grin
> >
> >
> >
> >On coatings, I am gonna find the local boyz who have done this....I got a
> earlier email someone suggested clear coating the anodize coating....on a
> polished Camply clone it might look good....just not sure.
> >
> >
> >
> >Okay tell us about the ENGINE Doc?!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Saturday, November 2, 2013 11:12 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >Dear Dennis,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > See below.
> >
> >
> >
> >From: TPR [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>]
> On Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
> >Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 12:33 PM
> >To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> >Subject: [TPR] Pantera Winter Projects???
> >
> >
> >
> >Hey, what are you guys doing for winter on your rides?
> >
> >$$$$$$ Main project is to make progress on the Mark III engine build.
> >
> >
> >
> >I am finally gonna get Pantera to a paint shop in Fresno...he's the guy
> who said he crosses the state line into Arizona to get the paint the tree
> huggers wont allow here anymore if you know what I mean.
> >
> >$$$$$$ That sounds like my kinda Paint and Body Man.
> >
> >
> >
> >Also Plan to pull the Davis CUP radiator out and replace it with Fluidyne
> 2-pass unit that Quella has that will 'fit' with my all-most stock steel
> hood.
> >
> >$$$$$$ I am confused. I thought that the Davis radiator had been
> faultless and that it fit. So, you’re going to a different hood or you
> expect better cooling out of the Fluidyne unit??
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Would also like to find a steel decklid so if you know of anyone who has
> one let me know....Yea I will trade straight across...their decklid for my
> race radiator ;-)
> >
> >$$$$$$ I have seen lots of decklids hanging from the walls of Dennis
> Quella’s shop. Maybe he would make a deal?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On wheels and airfilters and valve covers I am thinking about
> anodizing....Irish says they scratch says they scratch easily but so do my
> polished wheels.... Okay most of that is bullsheeit but the anodizing isn't
> so let me know what ya think...yea don't hold back JB ;-)
> >
> >$$$$$$ My preference is for coatings or anodizing over powder
> painting. My aluminum valve covers are powder painted and they’ve held up
> well The other engine parts besides the block are coated with aluminized
> ceramic appearance coating. I have no experience with anodizing, but I
> can see where is would likely scratch easily. I do not know how chemical
> resistant it is nor what it’s long term durability would be.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >TPR mailing list
> >TPR at teampanteraracing.com
> >http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com
>
> Dear Dennis,
>
>
>
>
>
> Stock stroke 351C bored only twenty over with RaceTec custom
> pistons, stock connecting rods (polished and shotpeened) on a stock crank
> modified by Mile High Cranks with modest lightening and rifle drilling the
> journals, external balance.
>
>
>
> Valve train is flat tappet hydraulics with bushed lifter
> bores, Crane Gold Roller rockers, beehive springs and small diameter,
> hollow Ferrea stainless steel springs with titanium retainers. Cam has
> not been finalized, but will likely be a four pattern cam. Dan Jones was
> consulted on cam recommendations.
>
>
>
> Quench heads ported and polished and modified with Funnel Web
> port stuffers. Flow tests show 305-309 cfm **with** the stuffers in
> place. Funnel Web intake manifold with port matching and custom hand cut
> intake manifold gaskets. Exhaust ports will use the Stingers that the Dan
> Jones Great Dyno Project showed were good for 5-10 hp
>
>
>
> Cooling: custom built Boss 302 water pump with cast curved vane
> impeller, ported and port matched front block, front engine cover and water
> pump.
>
>
>
> Oiling: ported and polished stock pressure and volume pump
>
>
>
> MSD 8577 distributor with verified timing
>
>
>
> Engine specific Holley 4150 carb rebuilt by Chuck Nuytton in
> DFW.
>
>
>
> My last engine was of a similar configuration with a Holley
> Strip Dominator intake. Dynoed at 485 hp on pump gas. I **estimate**
> that the Funnelweb induction and four pattern cam plus the usual dyno
> tuning should put me darn close to 500 hp on an engine with stock stroke,
> iron heads, hydraulic lifters and pump gas. The rpm limit I am shooting
> for is a minimum of 6500. I hope it will pull reliably without valve float
> to 7000 rpm. I think I can pull it off. With a bit of luck, I might
> have it done by May or June next year.
>
>
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Mad Dog Antenucci [mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com<teampantera at yahoo.com>]
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 02, 2013 2:06 PM
> *To:* Charles Engles; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Pantera Winter Projects???
>
>
>
> On engine...Mark III engine?
>
> Wot is the build & power?
>
>
>
> On paint the guy.... I am going to said he had a talk with State pollution
> person who came by his shop for inspection and he asked him WHY they were
> focusing on what little pollution that might be coming out of his paint
> shop when up and down Highway 99 and the I-5 are illegal truckers
> contributing to 99% of the pollution....he said the G-man said,
>
> "Because we know where YOU are at"....its like yea we'll pick the low
> hanging fruit first.....yea one more agency along with the TSA that should
> have their feathers clipped or eliminated...okay before I piss off anyone
> let me move on to coatings...
>
>
>
> I am using ceremic coating on my 180's again as well....ya can't run at
> WOT for long before they fade....I like the bling but they are still
> functional even after the bling fades.
>
>
>
> On $$$$ decklids I will check with DennisQ....maybe offset purchase of
> steel decklid with sale of my CF hood and the Davis cup radiator.....I am
> gonna keep the IR-EFI so it will get cut and then cut again for the reverse
> louvers like I had on the old steel hood which blew off 4-5 years ago at
> SS....Yea it folded in half when it landed....you can find it somewhere
> buried in the desert next to cow pies 17 miles into the H318 run.....I had
> about 4-5 hours to sit out there and dig the burial hole with a spoon
> waiting for all the cars to complete their run ....yea it was ugly. Decided
> I would never sell that to anyone...so I jumped up and down on it for an
> hour before burial. ;-)
>
>
>
> And on the $$$ Davis Cup Radiator....its not even about cooling anymore as
> I am 'slowing' down into semi-race retirement ;-)))....I will be content to
> just go up and 'look' fast in the Pantera at SS in future and tell everyone
> how I used to go 200 mph! ;-).....seriously .you may have missed what I
> said before on the 'decision' originally to go to a CF custom hood.
>
>
>
> It was because I first got a 'deal' on the new Davis Cup radiator from one
> of the Forum guys (Green?)...it was brand new, still in a box and it worked
> great for ORR...not so great for street as it was too efficient.....it was
> never built for a Pantera....it was so big that when Dick and I measured it
> for use in the Pantera we immediately realized even though Dick had to
> tell me 3-4 times that it was too wide and too TALL that we would not be
> able to use the 'stock' hood....
>
>
>
> Even then Dick had to hot rod it in to fit.....a 'shoe-horn' fit for the
> front end to make it fit....Dick had cut clips and lean it as far forwad as
> he could get it and ran new plumbing....and he did a beautiful job.....and
> to keep that CF hood on at 150+ MPH I had to tape it down before every
> ORR....the hood was fine at low to freeway to 100 mph speeds but air
> started creeping under it around center and lifting....it never came off
> but then I never ran the CF on the Pantera at ORR speeds.... it was a
> compromise on design as I did not want to turn Dick loose with his cutting
> torch on the front bulkhead or cutting the underside of the stock
> hood....and honestly I missed the look of the steel hood with the reverse
> Hall vents on it....and I found out about a year or two ago that DennisQ
> was able to get Ron Davis to build a 2-pass rad that would drop right into
> place in the Pantera so why have anything else....and someone like Mark or
> Rich are still in the pack to run 200 mph so I will be there with them to
> cheer them on....and I may come back later to run fast again but if I do
> Quella's 2-pass that drops right in will do the job for serious orr cooling.
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. *:D big grin]
>
>
>
> On coatings, I am gonna find the local boyz who have done this....I got a
> earlier email someone suggested clear coating the anodize coating....on a
> polished Camply clone it might look good....just not sure.
>
>
>
> Okay tell us about the ENGINE Doc?!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 2, 2013 11:12 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Dennis,
>
>
>
>
>
> See below.
>
>
>
> *From:* TPR [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *Mad Dog Antenucci
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 02, 2013 12:33 PM
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* [TPR] Pantera Winter Projects???
>
>
>
> Hey, what are you guys doing for winter on your rides?
>
> $$$$$$ Main project is to make progress on the Mark III engine build.
>
>
>
> I am finally gonna get Pantera to a paint shop in Fresno...he's the guy
> who said he crosses the state line into Arizona to get the paint the tree
> huggers wont allow here anymore if you know what I mean.
>
> $$$$$$ That sounds like my kinda Paint and Body Man.
>
>
>
> Also Plan to pull the Davis CUP radiator out and replace it with Fluidyne
> 2-pass unit that Quella has that will 'fit' with my all-most stock steel
> hood.
>
> $$$$$$ I am confused. I thought that the Davis radiator had been
> faultless and that it fit. So, you’re going to a different hood or you
> expect better cooling out of the Fluidyne unit??
>
>
>
>
>
> Would also like to find a steel decklid so if you know of anyone who has
> one let me know....Yea I will trade straight across...their decklid for my
> race radiator ;-)
>
> $$$$$$ I have seen lots of decklids hanging from the walls of Dennis
> Quella’s shop. Maybe he would make a deal?
>
>
>
>
>
> On wheels and airfilters and valve covers I am thinking about
> anodizing....Irish says they scratch says they scratch easily but so do my
> polished wheels.... Okay most of that is bullsheeit but the anodizing isn't
> so let me know what ya think...yea don't hold back JB ;-)
>
> $$$$$$ My preference is for coatings or anodizing over powder
> painting. My aluminum valve covers are powder painted and they’ve held up
> well The other engine parts besides the block are coated with aluminized
> ceramic appearance coating. I have no experience with anodizing, but I
> can see where is would likely scratch easily. I do not know how chemical
> resistant it is nor what it’s long term durability would be.
>
>
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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