[DeTomaso] My engine died at the fun rally this year

mikebecker mikebecker at cox.net
Mon May 27 14:31:39 EDT 2013


Ha, was it that obvious? It was indeed burning quite a lot of oil.  It had been for some time.  I wonder if the excessive oil contributed to it running a little on the hot side and subsequently to the cracking of the head.  I should have pulled the heads for a valve job long ago, and I might have avoided this current mess???
Mike.


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-------- Original message --------
From: russell fulp <musclebyrussell at hotmail.com> 
Date: 05/27/2013  11:16  (GMT-07:00) 
To: detomaso list submissions <detomaso at poca.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] My engine died at the fun rally this year 
 
Yes It sure is a valve seat. Question : How much oil was this engine burning before the mishap?

Russ
B.L. Machine & Russ Fulp Race Engines
1100 E. Orangefair Lane Unit E            
Anaheim, Ca. 92801
714-870-8570



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> 2. Re: Fast 5 Pantera! (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 3. Re: Fast 5 Pantera! (Rob Dumoulin)
> 4. NPC: Senna the movie (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 5. Re: My Engine Died at the Fun Rally This Year (Tony DiGiovanna)
> 6. Re: My Engine Died at the Fun Rally This Year ( Charles Engles)
> 7. Re: [TPR] NORC & New wheels (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 8. Re: [TPR] NORC & New wheels (mark skwarek)
> 9. floor mats (dfl)
> 10. Re: [TPR] NORC & New wheels (michael at michaelshortt.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 16:21:02 -0700
> From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fast 5 Pantera!
> To: "'bill gaino'" <gaino at earthlink.net>, "'poca list'"
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> Whatta mess. I bet the model felt real sexy lounging on top of that wreck.
> Nice trashing of a flat deck panel , wonder what they dropped on it.
> 
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fast 5 Pantera!
> 
> Hey another FAMOUS movie car, check out the tinted windows. Bill 1362
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-DETOMASO-PANTERA-1971-detomaso-pa
> ntera-fast-5-cars-from-a-very-popular-recent-movie-/390600555797?pt=US_Cars_
> Trucks&hash=item5af19b7d15&vxp=mtr
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> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 19:48:41 -0400
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fast 5 Pantera!
> To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
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> If anybody buys these POS, I'd like to buy the messed up rear deck lid.
> Nothing wrong with mine, just have a Frankenstein experiment in mind and I
> would never ruin a good one.
> 
> Michael Shortt
> On May 24, 2013 7:21 PM, "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > Whatta mess. I bet the model felt real sexy lounging on top of that wreck.
> > Nice trashing of a flat deck panel , wonder what they dropped on it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Hey another FAMOUS movie car, check out the tinted windows. Bill 1362
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-DETOMASO-PANTERA-1971-detomaso-pa
> >
> > ntera-fast-5-cars-from-a-very-popular-recent-movie-/390600555797?pt=US_Cars_
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> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 08:17:37 -0400
> From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fast 5 Pantera!
> To: michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
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> Yep. Just a matter of time before somebody added smokestack exhaust pipes
> to the Pantera :)
> On May 24, 2013 7:48 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > If anybody buys these POS, I'd like to buy the messed up rear deck lid.
> > Nothing wrong with mine, just have a Frankenstein experiment in mind and I
> > would never ruin a good one.
> >
> > Michael Shortt
> > On May 24, 2013 7:21 PM, "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Whatta mess. I bet the model felt real sexy lounging on top of that
> > wreck.
> > > Nice trashing of a flat deck panel , wonder what they dropped on it.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
> > > Behalf
> > > Of bill gaino
> > > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:08 AM
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> > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fast 5 Pantera!
> > >
> > > Hey another FAMOUS movie car, check out the tinted windows. Bill 1362
> > >
> > >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-DETOMASO-PANTERA-1971-detomaso-pa
> > >
> > >
> > ntera-fast-5-cars-from-a-very-popular-recent-movie-/390600555797?pt=US_Cars_
> > > Trucks&hash=item5af19b7d15&vxp=mtr
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 08:59:10 -0400
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna the movie
> To: detomaso at poca.com
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> Senna the movie is going to be on NBC Sports Network tonight. 8 pm eastern
> time
> 
> Michael Shortt
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 11:18:25 -0400
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] My Engine Died at the Fun Rally This Year
> To: 'SG' <sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net>, detomaso at poca.com, 'Michael
> Becker' <mikebecker at cox.net>
> Message-ID: <001e01ce595b$1a5076e0$4ef164a0$@optonline.net>
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> 
> I've munched a few Clevelands over the years.
> I killed one with detonation. I don?t think I see the same "sand blast"
> appearance on the pistons.
> I had an exhaust seat come apart once, luckily just upon start-up, so
> minimal damage. This looks allot like that. I may be mistaken, but I think
> I see pieces similar to valve seat stuck in the top of that piston. Put a
> magnet to it...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
> Of SG
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:49 AM
> To: detomaso at poca.com; Michael Becker
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] My Engine Died at the Fun Rally This Year
> 
> If the heads have hardened valve seats,?did the exhaust valve seat on #8
> come apart?
> 
> ??? Shaun G.
> --- On Mon, 5/20/13, Michael Becker <mikebecker at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Michael Becker <mikebecker at cox.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] My Engine Died at the Fun Rally This Year
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 12:38 AM
> 
> 
> Gang,
> Some of you may have heard that my engine met its end at the Fun Rally this
> year.? We pulled the engine and did a post mortem on it this weekend.? Did
> anybody lose any debris?? Because I think my engine may have found it!? Here
> are some pictures of the gory details:
> 
> http://www.sandiegopanteras.com/Gall2013/g13mjbengine.htm
> 
> Mike
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 10:29:37 -0500
> From: " Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] My Engine Died at the Fun Rally This Year
> To: "'Tony DiGiovanna'" <tonydigi at optonline.net>, "'SG'"
> <sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net>, <detomaso at poca.com>, "'Michael Becker'"
> <mikebecker at cox.net>
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> Dear Tony,
> 
> 
> I do believe that you're onto the cause. We shall see.
> 
> 
> Just my opinion, Chuck Engles
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
> Of Tony DiGiovanna
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:18 AM
> To: 'SG'; detomaso at poca.com; 'Michael Becker'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] My Engine Died at the Fun Rally This Year
> 
> I've munched a few Clevelands over the years.
> I killed one with detonation. I don?t think I see the same "sand blast"
> appearance on the pistons.
> I had an exhaust seat come apart once, luckily just upon start-up, so
> minimal damage. This looks allot like that. I may be mistaken, but I think
> I see pieces similar to valve seat stuck in the top of that piston. Put a
> magnet to it...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
> Of SG
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:49 AM
> To: detomaso at poca.com; Michael Becker
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] My Engine Died at the Fun Rally This Year
> 
> If the heads have hardened valve seats,?did the exhaust valve seat on #8
> come apart?
> 
> ??? Shaun G.
> --- On Mon, 5/20/13, Michael Becker <mikebecker at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Michael Becker <mikebecker at cox.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] My Engine Died at the Fun Rally This Year
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 12:38 AM
> 
> 
> Gang,
> Some of you may have heard that my engine met its end at the Fun Rally this
> year.? We pulled the engine and did a post mortem on it this weekend.? Did
> anybody lose any debris?? Because I think my engine may have found it!? Here
> are some pictures of the gory details:
> 
> http://www.sandiegopanteras.com/Gall2013/g13mjbengine.htm
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 12:13:46 -0400
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [TPR] NORC & New wheels
> To: detomaso at poca.com
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> > There are new 345/35/15 being made now.
> >
> > Michael Shortt
> >
> > On May 25, 2013 12:05 PM, "mark skwarek" <ehpantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Just got back from NORC, a 6300 mile trip. What a time. MD was a great
> mentor and certainly knows the ropes.
> >>
> >> MD was instrumental in me getting a new set of wheels. The only problems
> with it are the steering rack is shot and the tires. Talk about a
> problem getting tires for Pantera's 15" wheels. I'm open to suggestions.
> Here she is!!!!
> >>
> >> I just was in touch with Gail at Silver State and she said I would be
> able to run in the unlimited class.
> >>
> >> Now we all know that MD might exaggerate at times but be prepared for
> the SNOW JOB!!!!
> >>
> >> More to come.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TPR mailing list
> >> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
> >> http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com
> >>
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 09:22:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [TPR] NORC & New wheels
> To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>,
> "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Message-ID:
> <1369498939.9247.YahooMailNeo at web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> They might be a bit small for me.
> Mark
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com 
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [TPR] NORC & New wheels
> 
> 
> > There are new 345/35/15 being made now.
> >
> > Michael Shortt
> >
> > On May 25, 2013 12:05 PM, "mark skwarek" <ehpantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Just got back from NORC, a 6300 mile trip. What a time. MD was a great
> mentor and certainly knows the ropes.
> >>
> >> MD was instrumental in me getting a new set of wheels. The only problems
> with it are the steering rack is shot and the tires. Talk about a
> problem getting tires for? Pantera's? 15" wheels. I'm open to suggestions.
> Here she is!!!!
> >>
> >> I just was in touch with Gail at Silver State and she said I would be
> able to run in the unlimited class.
> >>
> >> Now we all know that MD might exaggerate at times but be prepared for
> the SNOW JOB!!!!
> >>
> >> More to come.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TPR mailing list
> >> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
> >> http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 12:23:12 -0400 (EDT)
> From: dfl <vvics442 at aol.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] floor mats
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Message-ID: <8D0277B49523F1E-6A0-1D1A8 at webmail-d246.sysops.aol.com>
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> 
> Hi Gang
> 
> If any of you have a pair of floor mats (slightly used is ok) that you are not using any
> longer give me a shout as I am interested in buying!
> 
> I am interested in the red logo on the mats as my car is red, however the usual isis is fine too! They would need to fit a 73 or 74 car!
> 
> If anyone has a pair email me at Vvics442 at aol.com
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 12:36:23 -0400
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [TPR] NORC & New wheels
> To: mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Message-ID:
> <CAEWtxWrhMaK7L2vigiJ9QkSmyKBf=juY=Ko_zB71qAJPKN0E_A at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> LOL..OMG. I didn't see the photos.
> 
> I wonder what the tread compound rating is for carbon steel?
> 
> Michael
> On May 25, 2013 12:22 PM, "mark skwarek" <ehpantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > They might be a bit small for me.
> > Mark
> >
> > *From:* "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> > *To:* detomaso at poca.com
> > *Sent:* Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:13 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] [TPR] NORC & New wheels
> >
> > > There are new 345/35/15 being made now.
> > >
> > > Michael Shortt
> > >
> > > On May 25, 2013 12:05 PM, "mark skwarek" <ehpantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Just got back from NORC, a 6300 mile trip. What a time. MD was a great
> > mentor and certainly knows the ropes.
> > >>
> > >> MD was instrumental in me getting a new set of wheels. The only problems
> > with it are the steering rack is shot and the tires. Talk about a
> > problem getting tires for Pantera's 15" wheels. I'm open to suggestions.
> > Here she is!!!!
> > >>
> > >> I just was in touch with Gail at Silver State and she said I would be
> > able to run in the unlimited class.
> > >>
> > >> Now we all know that MD might exaggerate at times but be prepared for
> > the SNOW JOB!!!!
> > >>
> > >> More to come.
> > >>
> > >> Mark
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> TPR mailing list
> > >> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
> > >> http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com
> > >>
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