[DeTomaso] What Do You Tell People - It is a DeTomaso

LS lashdeep at yahoo.com
Sat Mar 16 12:41:05 EDT 2013 

"I don't like the knuckle dragging crowd, but it isn't because I am worried
about the value.  It is because I don't like someone disrespecting a
beautiful car."

Will, I agree and the disrespect due to misinformation is my problem as well.

The values are somewhat related to this but the current appreciation trend has been in motion for a few years now.

Green pre Ls selling for $65k?

I should've bought mine 5 yrs ago when I had the chance. They've more than doubled in recent years and show no signs of stopping.

Non-USA buyers are taking advantage of the Detomaso confusion here (lower respect and thus value perception amongst USA buyers)  and are shipping them all overseas.

LS




 



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________________________________
 From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; detomaso at poca.com 
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What Do You Tell People - It is a DeTomaso
 
The last thing I will add is that I don't want the value to go up.

I didn't buy the car as an investment.  If the price reflected the
performance, most of us couldn't afford it.

I didn't buy the car as a status symbol, either.  I don't care what people
think about me.

I bought my Pantera because it was my dream car when I was a teenager.

I have kept my Pantera for how it makes me feel.  It is more fun than any
other car I have driven.

It doesn't matter how bad my day has been, when I get in my car, all of my
worries go away.

I have driven John Taphorn's, Steve Hawkins's and Kirby Shrader's
Panteras.  None of them are red, but they still made me feel good.  One of
them is even yellow.  ;-)

Just looking at my Pantera makes me feel good.  I still sometimes sit in
my car in the garage.  It is a small "fix" as I finish putting it back
together.  I used to do that as a teenager when my 68 Mustang was dead.
But I'm not a teenager anymore.

I don't like the knuckle dragging crowd, but it isn't because I am worried
about the value.  It is because I don't like someone disrespecting a
beautiful car.

--
Will





On 3/15/13 1:04 AM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:

>I think Will hit it on the head with how I usually respond.
>
>It's a DeTomaso Pantera (usually pointing at the rear of the car to the
>actual scripts).  This helps a lot of folks because they "know" typical
>responses of "Make and Model," like "Ford Mustang" or "Chevy Camaro."
>So saying DeTomaso Pantera clues them in that the manufacturer is
>something they've not heard before....
>
>... which leads in the next line "DeTomaso was an Italian car
>manufacturer."  Which then leads into things like:
>- That's right, it was built in Italy, but has a Ford engine stock from
>the factory
>- Due to a partnership with Ford in the early 70's
>- Yea... Ford sold them through their Lincoln Mercury dealers in 1971
>through maybe 1974, which is why you probably remember them as a Ford.
>- And after 1974, even though Ford broke off the relationship, DeTomaso
>continued to make them up till about 1996.
>
>At that point the mouths usually drop open and they either:
>- walk away musing about their new intelligence
>- ask intelligent questions about the car
>- begin spinning some yarn about;
>     - They didn't come stock with a Ford 351C, I know, I worked on them
>at the dealer
>     - They all came with power steering from the factory, I know, I
>worked on them at the dealer
>     - They started selling them in 1969, I know, I worked at the dealer
>
>... at which point I usually just nod in agreement until they stop
>talking, then say "that's nice, OHHHH look at the time I need to go get
>a hot dog before the run out... nice talking with you."
>
>Asa
>
>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>&  Shelley Marie
>Spokane, WA
>******************************
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>
>
>On 3/14/2013 4:56 PM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> I don't say it is a Pantera and leave it at that.
>>
>> I don't call it a DeTomaso or Ford, either.
>>
>> I say it is a DeTomaso Pantera, and I explain the relationship with
>>Ford.
>>
>> I don't see any problem with calling it a Pantera.  It doesn't get its
>> value from the name DeTomaso.  Maybe it would if DeTomaso were a
>>household
>> name like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, or Porsche.
>>
>> And, I can't say that DeTomaso would be a household name if Pantera
>>owners
>> called them DeTomasos instead of Panteras.
>>
>> As much as I like Fords and the relationship between Ford and Panteras,
>>I
>> don't call them Fords either.  I call them DeTomaso Panteras.
>>
>> You can call them whatever you want.  I really don't care.  I just want
>>my
>> car back on the road.
>>
>> --
>> Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/14/13 7:45 PM, "LS"<lashdeep at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Is a Lamborghini Diablo considered a Chrysler?
>>>
>>> Is the Maserati Bora a Detomaso Bora?
>>>
>>> Calling it a Ford is not correct.
>>>
>>> Funding a factory does not mean you have produced a car. And what about
>>> the cars made after said factory was shutdown?
>>>
>>> LS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> central
>>> wines-spirits   est 1934
>>>
>>>
>>> 625 e street nw
>>>
>>> washington, dc 20004
>>>
>>> centralwines.com
>>>
>>>
>>> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>>>
>>>
>>> 202-737-2800
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "shawkins777 at comcast.net"<shawkins777 at comcast.net>
>>> To:
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What Do You Tell People - It is a DeTomaso
>>>
>>> Well referring to it as a Ford could be considered correct since Ford
>>> owned the manufacturing facility.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "The Goyaniuks"<andriykoisg at yahoo.ca>
>>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:08:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What Do You Tell People - It is a DeTomaso
>>>
>>> What I believe our marque suffers from is the way WE talk about our
>>>cars.
>>>
>>> When the anyone sees a Ferrari they USUALLY do not say "Oh look there
>>> goes a 355!". The same goes for Jaguar, BMW, Mercedes, Maserati,
>>> Lamborghini, et al.
>>>
>>> BUT for most (not all) we sell ourselves as PANTERA owners. So, then
>>> people say, "It is a Pantera" What is that? Well, most people of age,
>>>in
>>> North America think it is a Ford because it was sold at L-M dealers.
>>> Europeans and others know it as a DeTomaso. Which links very much to
>>>what
>>> was discussed on the Ferrarichat forum. It was not that the DeTomaso
>>>cars
>>> were that much different in N.A. than Europe, (eg. N.A. Bora, 308, 328,
>>> Mercedes et al were also different in N.A. in their day as well), it is
>>> that they were sold at Ford dealers and people perceived them as linked
>>> to Ford. Whereas, as I say, everywhere else in the world they were seen
>>> as DeTomaso's. Hence the cars command higher prices everywhere else but
>>> in N.A.
>>>
>>> So, my simple answer to what to tell people is - It is a DeTomaso, just
>>> like a Mangusta, Vallelunga, Longchamp, ...etc. When we start referring
>>> to our cars as DeTomaso's first and the model second, it may start to
>>>put
>>> the record straight. i.e. just like Ferrari, BMW, Jaguar, Aston-Martin,
>>> ... we talk about the marque first then the model - no confusion.
>>>
>>> Bohdan G.
>>>
>>> P.S. This has been a pet bitch of mine since I bought my car in 1990 -
>>>WE
>>> are the worst to blame - As long as we are not clear on what marque we
>>> have
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 3/14/13, Pantdino<pantdino at aol.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Pantdino<pantdino at aol.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What Do You Tell People??
>>> To: lashdeep at yahoo.com, detomaso at poca.com
>>> Received: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 1:31 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> I say "It's an international car-- it was made in Italy using a German
>>>ZF
>>> transaxle and American Ford Engine"
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: LS<lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>>> To: detomaso<detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Sent: Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:56 pm
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] What Do You Tell People??
>>>
>>>
>>> This is related to some recent discussion on another exotic car forum.
>>>
>>> The topic was the history,heritage, and perception of Detomaso cars.
>>>
>>> One interesting subject brought up was the level of knowledge of
>>>Detomaso
>>> owners
>>> and how/if any of that was being shared with spectators or onlookers.
>>>
>>> Case in point...I pulled into a local weekend Cars and Coffee. As some
>>> people
>>> looked at the car, one commented with something to the effect of
>>> ..."cool, it's
>>> an American Countach..."
>>>
>>> It just so happened that I had known this person for many years and
>>> because of
>>> that I gave him a 30 minute lecture.
>>>
>>> Although I am *FAR* from an expert on any car history, I took the
>>> opportunity to
>>> explain the background of the company and the car.
>>>
>>> This conversation triggered more discussion with other people in the
>>> crowd who
>>> had no idea and thought it was something it clearly wasn't.
>>>
>>> I've also recently met Detomaso owners who do not know much about their
>>> car.
>>>
>>> Everyone enjoys their car in different ways. Maybe some don't really
>>>care
>>> what
>>> it is or who made it.
>>>
>>> I accept that. My dad had a car that he drove three times in 15 yrs yet
>>> told me
>>> he enjoyed just looking at it.
>>>
>>> Out of pure curiosity...when someone walks up and looks at your Pantera
>>> with a
>>> comment similar to "cool, it's an American Countach..."
>>>
>>> What do you respond with?
>>>
>>> LS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> central
>>> wines-spirits est 1934
>>>
>>>
>>> 625 e street nw
>>>
>>> washington, dc 20004
>>>
>>> centralwines.com
>>>
>>>
>>> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>>>
>>>
>>> 202-737-2800
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Tom Shinrock<tmshinro at aol.com>
>>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Appearance in Hunter TV Series
>>>
>>>
>>> I found all the Hunters episodes are on Hulu.com. There are seven
>>>seasons
>>> of
>>> episodes, so it's a matter of finding the right one. I took an educated
>>> guess
>>> and am watching episode 7 from season 2 based on the IMCD database
>>> showing
>>> episode 2.07. It's a two part episode and I'm halfway through the first
>>> one.
>>> Nothing yet.
>>>
>>> If anyone can zero in on the correct episode, the whole clip can be
>>>seen.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>> 5186
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: LS<lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>>> To: LS<lashdeep at yahoo.com>; Detomaso List<detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 11:03 am
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Appearance in Hunter TV Series
>>>
>>>
>>> Not one hidden Youtube clip of the white GT5 on Hunter anywhere??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> central
>>> wines-spirits est 1934
>>>
>>>
>>> 625 e street nw
>>>
>>> washington, dc 20004
>>>
>>> centralwines.com
>>>
>>>
>>> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>>>
>>>
>>> 202-737-2800
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: LS<lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>>> To: Detomaso List<detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 9:52 PM
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Appearance in Hunter TV Series
>>>
>>> Anyone find this online anywhere?
>>>
>>> http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_315135-De-Tomaso-Pantera-GT5.html
>>>
>>>
>>> I would love to see the full clip.
>>>
>>> LS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> central
>>> wines-spirits est 1934
>>>
>>>
>>> 625 e street nw
>>>
>>> washington, dc 20004
>>>
>>> centralwines.com
>>>
>>>
>>> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>>>
>>>
>>> 202-737-2800
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