[DeTomaso] What Do You Tell People - It is a DeTomaso

[Asa Jay Laughton]

I think Will hit it on the head with how I usually respond.

It's a DeTomaso Pantera (usually pointing at the rear of the car to the 
actual scripts).  This helps a lot of folks because they "know" typical 
responses of "Make and Model," like "Ford Mustang" or "Chevy Camaro."  
So saying DeTomaso Pantera clues them in that the manufacturer is 
something they've not heard before....

... which leads in the next line "DeTomaso was an Italian car 
manufacturer."  Which then leads into things like:
- That's right, it was built in Italy, but has a Ford engine stock from 
the factory
- Due to a partnership with Ford in the early 70's
- Yea... Ford sold them through their Lincoln Mercury dealers in 1971 
through maybe 1974, which is why you probably remember them as a Ford.
- And after 1974, even though Ford broke off the relationship, DeTomaso 
continued to make them up till about 1996.

At that point the mouths usually drop open and they either:
- walk away musing about their new intelligence
- ask intelligent questions about the car
- begin spinning some yarn about;
     - They didn't come stock with a Ford 351C, I know, I worked on them 
at the dealer
     - They all came with power steering from the factory, I know, I 
worked on them at the dealer
     - They started selling them in 1969, I know, I worked at the dealer

... at which point I usually just nod in agreement until they stop 
talking, then say "that's nice, OHHHH look at the time I need to go get 
a hot dog before the run out... nice talking with you."

Asa

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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On 3/14/2013 4:56 PM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> I don't say it is a Pantera and leave it at that.
>
> I don't call it a DeTomaso or Ford, either.
>
> I say it is a DeTomaso Pantera, and I explain the relationship with Ford.
>
> I don't see any problem with calling it a Pantera.  It doesn't get its
> value from the name DeTomaso.  Maybe it would if DeTomaso were a household
> name like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, or Porsche.
>
> And, I can't say that DeTomaso would be a household name if Pantera owners
> called them DeTomasos instead of Panteras.
>
> As much as I like Fords and the relationship between Ford and Panteras, I
> don't call them Fords either.  I call them DeTomaso Panteras.
>
> You can call them whatever you want.  I really don't care.  I just want my
> car back on the road.
>
> --
> Will
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> On 3/14/13 7:45 PM, "LS"<lashdeep at yahoo.com>  wrote:
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>> Is a Lamborghini Diablo considered a Chrysler?
>>
>> Is the Maserati Bora a Detomaso Bora?
>>
>> Calling it a Ford is not correct.
>>
>> Funding a factory does not mean you have produced a car. And what about
>> the cars made after said factory was shutdown?
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>> LS
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>> central
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>> ________________________________
>> From: "shawkins777 at comcast.net"<shawkins777 at comcast.net>
>> To:
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What Do You Tell People - It is a DeTomaso
>>
>> Well referring to it as a Ford could be considered correct since Ford
>> owned the manufacturing facility.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "The Goyaniuks"<andriykoisg at yahoo.ca>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:08:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What Do You Tell People - It is a DeTomaso
>>
>> What I believe our marque suffers from is the way WE talk about our cars.
>>
>> When the anyone sees a Ferrari they USUALLY do not say "Oh look there
>> goes a 355!". The same goes for Jaguar, BMW, Mercedes, Maserati,
>> Lamborghini, et al.
>>
>> BUT for most (not all) we sell ourselves as PANTERA owners. So, then
>> people say, "It is a Pantera" What is that? Well, most people of age, in
>> North America think it is a Ford because it was sold at L-M dealers.
>> Europeans and others know it as a DeTomaso. Which links very much to what
>> was discussed on the Ferrarichat forum. It was not that the DeTomaso cars
>> were that much different in N.A. than Europe, (eg. N.A. Bora, 308, 328,
>> Mercedes et al were also different in N.A. in their day as well), it is
>> that they were sold at Ford dealers and people perceived them as linked
>> to Ford. Whereas, as I say, everywhere else in the world they were seen
>> as DeTomaso's. Hence the cars command higher prices everywhere else but
>> in N.A.
>>
>> So, my simple answer to what to tell people is - It is a DeTomaso, just
>> like a Mangusta, Vallelunga, Longchamp, ...etc. When we start referring
>> to our cars as DeTomaso's first and the model second, it may start to put
>> the record straight. i.e. just like Ferrari, BMW, Jaguar, Aston-Martin,
>> ... we talk about the marque first then the model - no confusion.
>>
>> Bohdan G.
>>
>> P.S. This has been a pet bitch of mine since I bought my car in 1990 - WE
>> are the worst to blame - As long as we are not clear on what marque we
>> have
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>> --- On Thu, 3/14/13, Pantdino<pantdino at aol.com>  wrote:
>>
>> From: Pantdino<pantdino at aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What Do You Tell People??
>> To: lashdeep at yahoo.com, detomaso at poca.com
>> Received: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 1:31 AM
>>
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>> I say "It's an international car-- it was made in Italy using a German ZF
>> transaxle and American Ford Engine"
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LS<lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>> To: detomaso<detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:56 pm
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] What Do You Tell People??
>>
>>
>> This is related to some recent discussion on another exotic car forum.
>>
>> The topic was the history,heritage, and perception of Detomaso cars.
>>
>> One interesting subject brought up was the level of knowledge of Detomaso
>> owners
>> and how/if any of that was being shared with spectators or onlookers.
>>
>> Case in point...I pulled into a local weekend Cars and Coffee. As some
>> people
>> looked at the car, one commented with something to the effect of
>> ..."cool, it's
>> an American Countach..."
>>
>> It just so happened that I had known this person for many years and
>> because of
>> that I gave him a 30 minute lecture.
>>
>> Although I am *FAR* from an expert on any car history, I took the
>> opportunity to
>> explain the background of the company and the car.
>>
>> This conversation triggered more discussion with other people in the
>> crowd who
>> had no idea and thought it was something it clearly wasn't.
>>
>> I've also recently met Detomaso owners who do not know much about their
>> car.
>>
>> Everyone enjoys their car in different ways. Maybe some don't really care
>> what
>> it is or who made it.
>>
>> I accept that. My dad had a car that he drove three times in 15 yrs yet
>> told me
>> he enjoyed just looking at it.
>>
>> Out of pure curiosity...when someone walks up and looks at your Pantera
>> with a
>> comment similar to "cool, it's an American Countach..."
>>
>> What do you respond with?
>>
>> LS
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>> central
>> wines-spirits est 1934
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>> 625 e street nw
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>> washington, dc 20004
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>> centralwines.com
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>> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
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>> 202-737-2800
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Tom Shinrock<tmshinro at aol.com>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Appearance in Hunter TV Series
>>
>>
>> I found all the Hunters episodes are on Hulu.com. There are seven seasons
>> of
>> episodes, so it's a matter of finding the right one. I took an educated
>> guess
>> and am watching episode 7 from season 2 based on the IMCD database
>> showing
>> episode 2.07. It's a two part episode and I'm halfway through the first
>> one.
>> Nothing yet.
>>
>> If anyone can zero in on the correct episode, the whole clip can be seen.
>>
>> Tom
>> 5186
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LS<lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>> To: LS<lashdeep at yahoo.com>; Detomaso List<detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 11:03 am
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Appearance in Hunter TV Series
>>
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>> Not one hidden Youtube clip of the white GT5 on Hunter anywhere??
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>> central
>> wines-spirits est 1934
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>> 625 e street nw
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>> washington, dc 20004
>>
>> centralwines.com
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>> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
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>> 202-737-2800
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>> ________________________________
>> From: LS<lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>> To: Detomaso List<detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 9:52 PM
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Appearance in Hunter TV Series
>>
>> Anyone find this online anywhere?
>>
>> http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_315135-De-Tomaso-Pantera-GT5.html
>>
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>> I would love to see the full clip.
>>
>> LS
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>> central
>> wines-spirits est 1934
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>> 625 e street nw
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>> washington, dc 20004
>>
>> centralwines.com
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>> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
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>> 202-737-2800
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