[DeTomaso] MAP squadron

Kirby Schrader kirby.schrader at gmail.com
Wed Mar 13 08:44:54 EDT 2013


Tom,

OK, so that's what you called yourselves! :-)

Chuck gave me a synopsis as well. I'd love to join in.
Have to see how it goes with the 'paint man'. You know how those things
go/can go...
It'd be a rare day when a paint job gets done right, the first time and on
time.

I was hoping to get my seats recovered, too... before leaving, but that
probably won't happen. We'll see how it goes.

Kirby


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com> wrote:

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> Kirby,
>
> Chuck Engles helped organize the Midwest Area Pantera (MAP) group that
> drove to the Fun Rally last year.  We ended up with eight cars from Ohio,
> Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas that drove to the Fun Rally.  It was the
> first cross country trip I ever did in 23 years of ownership of my Pantera.
>
> Many have stated their intention on doing the trip again this year.
> Isn't Jeff Dietrich a member of your POCA chapter?  He made the trip last
> year and has stated he intends to go again this year.  Hope you can join us.
>
> Tom
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
> To: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>
> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 12, 2013 10:10 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MAP squadron
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> Enlightenment required....
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> Just what is 'the MAP squadron wolfpack adventure'?
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> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com> wrote:
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>  Kirby said:
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> It's in the paint shop right now and I sure as hell hope it's finished for
> the Fun Rally. I intend on driving the car there.
> A first in my history.
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>  Does this mean you are going to join the MAP squadron wolfpack adventure?
>
> Tom
> 5186
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Moore <Bill at Incendium.com>
> To: 'Kirby Schrader' <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>; 'Justin Greisberg' <
> justingreisberg at hotmail.com>
> Cc: 'Panteras' <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 9:05 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD fuel injection
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>
> What color are you painting the Pantera Kirby ? lol, or will you surprise
> us.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill Moore
>
> Calgary, AB.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Kirby Schrader
> Sent: March-11-13 6:24 PM
> To: Justin Greisberg
> Cc: Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD fuel injection
>
> Justin,
>
> Wow.. I'm honestly sorry to hear that.
>
> Even though I've had some issues (and all the local guys in the Houston
> area
> know of my trials and tribulations), I am still very happy with my
> Electromotive systems.
> One on the GT40 (TEC3r) and one on the Pantera (TEC GT).
>
> I used to have an F9a Haltech (fuel only) on the Pantera. It was a 1996?
> system that I installed in 2000.
> Never had a bit of problem until all the smoke went out of it after 14
> years.
>
> I would NEVER go back to a carburetor.
> Even if 'The Carbman' threatens me some more!
> :-)
>
> I turn on the key on the GT40. I push the start button.
> It starts.
> I don't even have to be in the car to pump it or turn off the key again and
> try again or.. anything.
>
> The Pantera? Just got the EFI installed a couple of months ago. Wasn't the
> EFI that had me baffled on it.
> It was the damned coils. I won't _EVER_ buy anything that has smoke in it
> off of eBay again.
>
> Still got some tweaking to do with the Pantera startup settings, but it
> always starts.
> It's in the paint shop right now and I sure as hell hope it's finished for
> the Fun Rally. I intend on driving the car there.
> A first in my history.
>
> Oh, and I don't use an IAC on either car. I've never found a reason to use
> one?
>
> And yes, a chassis dyno helps a lot, but isn't strictly necessary. Just
> takes more time and lots of logging.
> The buttometer helps some, too.
> I took the GT40 to a dyno. It was a total waste of time and money. The guy
> said.. 'Oh, you don't have a FAST system?'
> We struggled from there and I went home.
>
> FWIW,
> Kirby
>
> PS: Some of the above are 'inside jokes'. You _know_ who you are! Bill!
> :-)
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Justin Greisberg <justingreisberg at hotmail.com
> >
> wrote:
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> >
> > I still am the voice of reason in the EFI discussions.  I have been
> working with my Retrotek EFI system for 4+ years now.  Still doesnt run as
> well as my carb'd engines.  I am making progress, and I hope that one day I
> will have a really nice setup.  But I would never do it on another vintage
> car.  And there is nothing plug and play about it.  I still have not
> achieved satisfaction in cranking, cold engine running, and idle.  i have
> not yet really worked on acceleration much at all.  With a chassis dyno and
> an EFI system and some time, it is possible to really do some nice stuff.
> But without a chassis dyno, becomes more tedious.  And the various settings
> and controls are not so intuitive and not so easy for an interested
> amateur.
> MSD system looks more or less comparable to FAST EZ EFI and retrotek
> (professional products).  The ACCEL DFI looks even more confusing to me...
> justin
> > P.S. - a big problem with the pantera is that, if the engine does not
> catch on the first try with the starter, you have to turn ignition to off
> and then on again to crank the starter again.  In some, maybe all, of these
> systems, ignition off starts a process of resetting the idle control motor.
> That takes maybe a minute or so, but there is not outward indicator of the
> process.  If you dont give it that full minute, then when you re-crank, the
> idle motor is not in the right position and the car wont run right the
> entire time it is running.  Ask me how many years that took me to figure
> that out....  that is the kind of thing you discover when you try to make
> these things work.  justin
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