[DeTomaso] MAP squadron

Tue Mar 12 18:57:42 EDT 2013

I'm actually in the Dallas chapter and Kirby is in the Houston chapter. And
we did have fun, especially since we took back roads almost the entire way
and that last stretch into Phoenix was really amazing! Can't wait to do it
again. If any of you in Houston would want to join us up here, we leave
Monday morning. Feel free to stay at my house the night before.

Jeff
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On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com> wrote:

>
>  Kirby said:
>
>
> It's in the paint shop right now and I sure as hell hope it's finished for
> the Fun Rally. I intend on driving the car there.
> A first in my history.
>
>
>
>  Does this mean you are going to join the MAP squadron wolfpack adventure?
>
> Tom
> 5186
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Moore <Bill at Incendium.com>
> To: 'Kirby Schrader' <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>; 'Justin Greisberg' <
> justingreisberg at hotmail.com>
> Cc: 'Panteras' <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 9:05 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD fuel injection
>
>
> What color are you painting the Pantera Kirby ? lol, or will you surprise
> us.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill Moore
>
> Calgary, AB.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Kirby Schrader
> Sent: March-11-13 6:24 PM
> To: Justin Greisberg
> Cc: Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD fuel injection
>
> Justin,
>
> Wow.. I'm honestly sorry to hear that.
>
> Even though I've had some issues (and all the local guys in the Houston
> area
> know of my trials and tribulations), I am still very happy with my
> Electromotive systems.
> One on the GT40 (TEC3r) and one on the Pantera (TEC GT).
>
> I used to have an F9a Haltech (fuel only) on the Pantera. It was a 1996?
> system that I installed in 2000.
> Never had a bit of problem until all the smoke went out of it after 14
> years.
>
> I would NEVER go back to a carburetor.
> Even if 'The Carbman' threatens me some more!
> :-)
>
> I turn on the key on the GT40. I push the start button.
> It starts.
> I don't even have to be in the car to pump it or turn off the key again and
> try again or.. anything.
>
> The Pantera? Just got the EFI installed a couple of months ago. Wasn't the
> EFI that had me baffled on it.
> It was the damned coils. I won't _EVER_ buy anything that has smoke in it
> off of eBay again.
>
> Still got some tweaking to do with the Pantera startup settings, but it
> always starts.
> It's in the paint shop right now and I sure as hell hope it's finished for
> the Fun Rally. I intend on driving the car there.
> A first in my history.
>
> Oh, and I don't use an IAC on either car. I've never found a reason to use
> one?
>
> And yes, a chassis dyno helps a lot, but isn't strictly necessary. Just
> takes more time and lots of logging.
> The buttometer helps some, too.
> I took the GT40 to a dyno. It was a total waste of time and money. The guy
> said.. 'Oh, you don't have a FAST system?'
> We struggled from there and I went home.
>
> FWIW,
> Kirby
>
> PS: Some of the above are 'inside jokes'. You _know_ who you are! Bill!
> :-)
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Justin Greisberg <justingreisberg at hotmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I still am the voice of reason in the EFI discussions.  I have been
> working with my Retrotek EFI system for 4+ years now.  Still doesnt run as
> well as my carb'd engines.  I am making progress, and I hope that one day I
> will have a really nice setup.  But I would never do it on another vintage
> car.  And there is nothing plug and play about it.  I still have not
> achieved satisfaction in cranking, cold engine running, and idle.  i have
> not yet really worked on acceleration much at all.  With a chassis dyno and
> an EFI system and some time, it is possible to really do some nice stuff.
> But without a chassis dyno, becomes more tedious.  And the various settings
> and controls are not so intuitive and not so easy for an interested
> amateur.
> MSD system looks more or less comparable to FAST EZ EFI and retrotek
> (professional products).  The ACCEL DFI looks even more confusing to me...
> justin
> > P.S. - a big problem with the pantera is that, if the engine does not
> catch on the first try with the starter, you have to turn ignition to off
> and then on again to crank the starter again.  In some, maybe all, of these
> systems, ignition off starts a process of resetting the idle control motor.
> That takes maybe a minute or so, but there is not outward indicator of the
> process.  If you dont give it that full minute, then when you re-crank, the
> idle motor is not in the right position and the car wont run right the
> entire time it is running.  Ask me how many years that took me to figure
> that out....  that is the kind of thing you discover when you try to make
> these things work.  justin
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