[DeTomaso] MSD fuel injection

[Kirby Schrader]

Well, I was planning on painting the Pantera the same color as the Lightning….

But then… John Taphorn recommended a different color!

So….

Now it's going to be the same color as the GT500.

:-)

A complete surprise to me… but I'm getting over it.


On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Bill Moore <Bill at incendium.com> wrote:

> What color are you painting the Pantera Kirby ? lol, or will you surprise
> us.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bill Moore
> 
> Calgary, AB.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
> Of Kirby Schrader
> Sent: March-11-13 6:24 PM
> To: Justin Greisberg
> Cc: Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD fuel injection
> 
> Justin,
> 
> Wow.. I'm honestly sorry to hear that.
> 
> Even though I've had some issues (and all the local guys in the Houston area
> know of my trials and tribulations), I am still very happy with my
> Electromotive systems.
> One on the GT40 (TEC3r) and one on the Pantera (TEC GT).
> 
> I used to have an F9a Haltech (fuel only) on the Pantera. It was a 1996?
> system that I installed in 2000.
> Never had a bit of problem until all the smoke went out of it after 14
> years.
> 
> I would NEVER go back to a carburetor. 
> Even if 'The Carbman' threatens me some more!
> :-)
> 
> I turn on the key on the GT40. I push the start button.
> It starts.
> I don't even have to be in the car to pump it or turn off the key again and
> try again or.. anything.
> 
> The Pantera? Just got the EFI installed a couple of months ago. Wasn't the
> EFI that had me baffled on it.
> It was the damned coils. I won't _EVER_ buy anything that has smoke in it
> off of eBay again.
> 
> Still got some tweaking to do with the Pantera startup settings, but it
> always starts.
> It's in the paint shop right now and I sure as hell hope it's finished for
> the Fun Rally. I intend on driving the car there.
> A first in my history.
> 
> Oh, and I don't use an IAC on either car. I've never found a reason to use
> one?
> 
> And yes, a chassis dyno helps a lot, but isn't strictly necessary. Just
> takes more time and lots of logging.
> The buttometer helps some, too.
> I took the GT40 to a dyno. It was a total waste of time and money. The guy
> said.. 'Oh, you don't have a FAST system?'
> We struggled from there and I went home.
> 
> FWIW,
> Kirby
> 
> PS: Some of the above are 'inside jokes'. You _know_ who you are! Bill!
> :-)
> 
> 
> On Mar 11, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Justin Greisberg <justingreisberg at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I still am the voice of reason in the EFI discussions.  I have been
> working with my Retrotek EFI system for 4+ years now.  Still doesnt run as
> well as my carb'd engines.  I am making progress, and I hope that one day I
> will have a really nice setup.  But I would never do it on another vintage
> car.  And there is nothing plug and play about it.  I still have not
> achieved satisfaction in cranking, cold engine running, and idle.  i have
> not yet really worked on acceleration much at all.  With a chassis dyno and
> an EFI system and some time, it is possible to really do some nice stuff.
> But without a chassis dyno, becomes more tedious.  And the various settings
> and controls are not so intuitive and not so easy for an interested amateur.
> MSD system looks more or less comparable to FAST EZ EFI and retrotek
> (professional products).  The ACCEL DFI looks even more confusing to me...
> justin
>> P.S. - a big problem with the pantera is that, if the engine does not
> catch on the first try with the starter, you have to turn ignition to off
> and then on again to crank the starter again.  In some, maybe all, of these
> systems, ignition off starts a process of resetting the idle control motor.
> That takes maybe a minute or so, but there is not outward indicator of the
> process.  If you dont give it that full minute, then when you re-crank, the
> idle motor is not in the right position and the car wont run right the
> entire time it is running.  Ask me how many years that took me to figure
> that out....  that is the kind of thing you discover when you try to make
> these things work.  justin 		 	   		  
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