[DeTomaso] Puzzle for the gear heads

David Fisher fisher95020 at gmail.com
Sun Mar 10 21:37:49 EDT 2013 

Yes,  Its pretty quick.  Has a Subie 2.5 fuel injected variable valve with
a Stinger EMS.   Its a bit overwhelming for the trans /chassis in first,
hence the short shift before getting hard on the gas.  I bought it from an
aerospace engineer who had an eye for detail and did a great build,
starting with one of the better kits.   I drove it home from Phoenix (to
San Jose)  in Feb...  A great bonding experience,  with plenty of debugging
en route.

Its the rawness of the car that makes it so endearing,  and that little
motor pulls so hard to 7200.   There is something to be said for getting
rid of mass.

On Mar 10, 2013 6:04 PM, "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow!  It really does 0-100 in 10.4 seconds?
>
> That has to be a fun car to drive.  I've always loved the Beck Spyders,
> but I didn't want to drive a rebodied VW bug.  Obviously it is much faster
> than that.
>
> I have seen a few at car shows.  They look very good quality.
>
> --
> Will
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3/10/13 8:56 PM, "David Fisher" <fisher95020 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >You guys are good!
> >
> >Here's the answer
> >
> >http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=39081
> >
> >
> >Technically Will and Sean together got it right, but I think big credit
> >goes to all the contributors who narrowed it down for you.  I especially
> >like Jeff's detective work.
> >
> >She goes like a scalded cat in the straights, but watch out for the
> >corners
> >-  swing axle rear and trailing arm fronts make every corner a
> >negotiation.
> >  Still,  there is something to be said for 1500 lbs and open air.
> >
> >
> >Now, where to send the burgers?!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I know what I want for xmas...
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJLKT-hYyOM
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Nice!  Many of the Spyder kit manufacturers have the parts needed to
> >> > put a Subbie motor in there.  That's in 10 second territory.
> >> > Blindingly quick!
> >> >
> >> > sean
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> >> No - a Beck Spyder
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0209_2002_beck_spyder/view
> >>al
> >> >> l.html
> >> >>
> >> >> But 0-100 in 10.4 secs?  No way with a VW engine.
> >> >>
> >> >> How about an older 911?  I would say 911 Turbo (930) but I didn't
> >>hear a
> >> >> whine.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Will
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 3/10/13 7:57 PM, "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>Factory Five 818?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dw7BBZAU6M
> >> >>>
> >> >>>On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 6:57 PM, David Fisher <fisher95020 at gmail.com
> >
> >> >>>wrote:
> >> >>>> Ok. You guys are getting fairly close.  Here's the last clue which
> >> >>>>ought to
> >> >>>> get us to the finish line
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Its a boxer motor,  between 2 and 3 litres.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Mar 10, 2013 3:41 PM, "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Wow, really reaching here...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> A Dwarf car with an R1 Yamaha motor?  That's *really* small
> >> >>>>> displacement though and 100MPH is like 15 seconds.  Hmmm. A turbo
> >> >>>>> 'busa motor would get it there pretty quickly.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I'm going for Lotus 7 kit with a turbo 'busa motor.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> sean
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 3:36 PM, David Fisher
> >><fisher95020 at gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>> > Ahh... you guys are a creative bunch!  Jeff has uncovered a few
> >> clues
> >> >>>>> > that
> >> >>>>> > are getting closer.
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > First,  The driver is worried about shifting... partially
> >>because I
> >> >>>>>have
> >> >>>>> > always been a "shift slow and mash the pedal guy", but partially
> >> >>>>>because
> >> >>>>> > shifting is not very direct in this car.   I will let you take
> >>that
> >> >>>>>clue
> >> >>>>> > from there.
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > You are also correct that there is very little brake dive,
> >> Given
> >> >>>>> > that
> >> >>>>> > most folks are narrowing in on a smaller displacement engine
> >>and I
> >> >>>>>gave
> >> >>>>> > away the 0-100 time  (in Z06 territory) you know this has to be
> >> >>>>>light.
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > Thats all I am saying for now.
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1 at me.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> >> I will go further out on a limb.
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> This unknown car slowly traverses low amplitude train tracks,
> >>yet
> >> >>>>>you
> >> >>>>> >> can
> >> >>>>> >> hear the broken/loose shock top mounts allowing much vertical
> >> >>>>>movement
> >> >>>>> >> so
> >> >>>>> >> it will be a light weight car with antiquated suspension. Yet
> >>the
> >> >>>>>heavy
> >> >>>>> >> clunks would indicate the  top suspension parts are loose in a
> >> >>>>>subframe
> >> >>>>> >> or
> >> >>>>> >> the lowers on the axle mounts, not a body.
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> The driver does not feel good about truly getting on the
> >>power, as
> >> >>>>> >> shown
> >> >>>>> >> by the "I am worried about breaking something or  this car is
> >>hard
> >> >>>>>to
> >> >>>>> >> shift
> >> >>>>> >> so I will short shift first gear", so we have a breaker and
> >>must
> >> be
> >> >>>>> >> careful. So I guess 1966 to 1977.
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> At second 7 the quick engine rev up indicates vacuum/sliding
> >> piston
> >> >>>>> >> carbs
> >> >>>>> >> or a 450 +- cfm 2 barrel.
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> Long times between shifts indicate a cast iron four speed and a
> >> long
> >> >>>>> >> throw
> >> >>>>> >> or weak clutch pedal function.
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> Low amount of rear body dive/dip rules out the TR-6.
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> At second 15, the dramatic on/off sounds are so English or
> >>Ford.
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> The exhaust sound of second 14 to 21 wfo indicates whooshing of
> >> >>>>>maybe
> >> >>>>> >> two
> >> >>>>> >> small diameter exhaust pipes with weak/blownout mufflers yet a
> >> large
> >> >>>>> >> enough
> >> >>>>> >> engine because of the throat noise, fine acceleration and no
> >> exhaust
> >> >>>>> >> smoke.
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> The slowing down shows low brake dive and again no down
> >>shifting
> >> >>>>>would
> >> >>>>> >> indicate that shifting difficulty again.
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> So I guess a Mustang 289, TVR, modified TR-8 or Jenson V8.
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> Extra pickles, please.
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> Jeff Cobb
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> At second 14
> >> >>>>> >> On Mar 9, 2013, at 11:17 PM, David Fisher
> >><fisher95020 at gmail.com>
> >> >>>>> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> > Here's a clue.   This is a new toy to me - so you can
> >>eliminate
> >> >>>>>the
> >> >>>>> >> > Jag E
> >> >>>>> >> > type from the equation.   I like Jeff's analysis of the
> >>clatter
> >> >>>>>over
> >> >>>>> >> > the
> >> >>>>> >> > railroad tracks.
> >> >>>>> >> >
> >> >>>>> >> >
> >> >>>>> >> > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 6:46 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
> >> >>>>> >> > michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>> >> >
> >> >>>>> >> >>> 10 pts for # of cylinders    6
> >> >>>>> >> >>> 20 pts of displacement (within 500cc)    2.5 lier
> >> >>>>> >> >>> 10 pts for engines home country            England
> >> >>>>> >> >>> 10 pts for guessing 0-100 mph (within 1/4 sec)       15
> >> >>>>> >> >>> 30 pts for telling me what car it is           Triumph TR-6
> >> with
> >> >>>>> >> Webers.
> >> >>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>> >> >> Michael Shortt
> >> >>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>> >> >> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Mike Drew
> >><MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> >> >>>>>wrote:
> >> >>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>> >> >>> Sounds like the venerable Jaguar straight 6. I can't tell
> >>if
> >> >>>>>its a
> >> >>>>> >> >>> 3.8
> >> >>>>> >> or
> >> >>>>> >> >>> 4.2 so I will guess 4.0 and cover all my bases. Of course
> >>it's
> >> >>>>> >> >>> British.
> >> >>>>> >> >>> It's unlikely to be in a mk II or a D type so I am going to
> >> >>>>>guess E
> >> >>>>> >> type.
> >> >>>>> >> >>> Lets say 14 sex quarter mile.
> >> >>>>> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> >> >>> How did I do?
> >> >>>>> >> >>> Mike
> >> >>>>> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>>> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> >> >>> On Mar 9, 2013, at 19:45, David Fisher
> >><fisher95020 at gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >>>>> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> >> >>>> I figure this might be a bit of fun for the weekend.
> >>Let's
> >> see
> >> >>>>> >> >>>> who
> >> >>>>> >> can
> >> >>>>> >> >>> get
> >> >>>>> >> >>>> the highest score on this puzzle.   I was doing some fuel
> >> >>>>>mapping
> >> >>>>> >> >>>> on a
> >> >>>>> >> >>> toy
> >> >>>>> >> >>>> last weekend.
> >> >>>>> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> >> >>>> Take a listen to the video and tell me what it is.
> >> >>>>> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> >> >>>> http://youtu.be/WN1GevRwtKk
> >> >>>>> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> >> >>>> 10 pts for # of cylinders
> >> >>>>> >> >>>> 20 pts of displacement (within 500cc)
> >> >>>>> >> >>>> 10 pts for engines home country
> >> >>>>> >> >>>> 10 pts for guessing 0-100 mph (within 1/4 sec)
> >> >>>>> >> >>>> 30 pts for telling me what car it is
> >> >>>>> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> >> >>>> Total of 70 pts.  I'll by a burger for the winner. :-)
> >> >>>>> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> >> >>>> David
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> >> >>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>> >> >> Michael L. Shortt
> >> >>>>> >> >> Savannah, Georgia
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> >> >>>>> >> >> michael at michaelshortt.com
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> >> >>>>> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
> >> >>>>> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71
> >>Pantera
> >> >>>>>#1382
> >> >>>>> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
> >> >>>>> "Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P.
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> >> >>>Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
> >> >>>'65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera
> >> #1382
> >> >>>"The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
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> >> > Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
> >> > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera
> >> #1382
> >> > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
> >> > "Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
> >> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera
> >>#1382
> >> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
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