[DeTomaso] Puzzle for the gear heads

Sun Mar 10 21:04:12 EDT 2013

Wow!  It really does 0-100 in 10.4 seconds?

That has to be a fun car to drive.  I've always loved the Beck Spyders,
but I didn't want to drive a rebodied VW bug.  Obviously it is much faster
than that.

I have seen a few at car shows.  They look very good quality.

--
Will

On 3/10/13 8:56 PM, "David Fisher" <fisher95020 at gmail.com> wrote:

>You guys are good!
>
>Here's the answer
>
>http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=39081
>
>
>Technically Will and Sean together got it right, but I think big credit
>goes to all the contributors who narrowed it down for you.  I especially
>like Jeff's detective work.
>
>She goes like a scalded cat in the straights, but watch out for the
>corners
>-  swing axle rear and trailing arm fronts make every corner a
>negotiation.
>  Still,  there is something to be said for 1500 lbs and open air.
>
>
>Now, where to send the burgers?!
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know what I want for xmas...
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJLKT-hYyOM
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Nice!  Many of the Spyder kit manufacturers have the parts needed to
>> > put a Subbie motor in there.  That's in 10 second territory.
>> > Blindingly quick!
>> >
>> > sean
>> >
>> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> No - a Beck Spyder
>> >>
>> 
>>http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0209_2002_beck_spyder/view
>>al
>> >> l.html
>> >>
>> >> But 0-100 in 10.4 secs?  No way with a VW engine.
>> >>
>> >> How about an older 911?  I would say 911 Turbo (930) but I didn't
>>hear a
>> >> whine.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Will
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 3/10/13 7:57 PM, "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Factory Five 818?
>> >>>
>> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dw7BBZAU6M
>> >>>
>> >>>On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 6:57 PM, David Fisher <fisher95020 at gmail.com>
>> >>>wrote:
>> >>>> Ok. You guys are getting fairly close.  Here's the last clue which
>> >>>>ought to
>> >>>> get us to the finish line
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Its a boxer motor,  between 2 and 3 litres.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mar 10, 2013 3:41 PM, "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Wow, really reaching here...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> A Dwarf car with an R1 Yamaha motor?  That's *really* small
>> >>>>> displacement though and 100MPH is like 15 seconds.  Hmmm. A turbo
>> >>>>> 'busa motor would get it there pretty quickly.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'm going for Lotus 7 kit with a turbo 'busa motor.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> sean
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 3:36 PM, David Fisher
>><fisher95020 at gmail.com
>> >
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> > Ahh... you guys are a creative bunch!  Jeff has uncovered a few
>> clues
>> >>>>> > that
>> >>>>> > are getting closer.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > First,  The driver is worried about shifting... partially
>>because I
>> >>>>>have
>> >>>>> > always been a "shift slow and mash the pedal guy", but partially
>> >>>>>because
>> >>>>> > shifting is not very direct in this car.   I will let you take
>>that
>> >>>>>clue
>> >>>>> > from there.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > You are also correct that there is very little brake dive,
>> Given
>> >>>>> > that
>> >>>>> > most folks are narrowing in on a smaller displacement engine
>>and I
>> >>>>>gave
>> >>>>> > away the 0-100 time  (in Z06 territory) you know this has to be
>> >>>>>light.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Thats all I am saying for now.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1 at me.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >> I will go further out on a limb.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> This unknown car slowly traverses low amplitude train tracks,
>>yet
>> >>>>>you
>> >>>>> >> can
>> >>>>> >> hear the broken/loose shock top mounts allowing much vertical
>> >>>>>movement
>> >>>>> >> so
>> >>>>> >> it will be a light weight car with antiquated suspension. Yet
>>the
>> >>>>>heavy
>> >>>>> >> clunks would indicate the  top suspension parts are loose in a
>> >>>>>subframe
>> >>>>> >> or
>> >>>>> >> the lowers on the axle mounts, not a body.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> The driver does not feel good about truly getting on the
>>power, as
>> >>>>> >> shown
>> >>>>> >> by the "I am worried about breaking something or  this car is
>>hard
>> >>>>>to
>> >>>>> >> shift
>> >>>>> >> so I will short shift first gear", so we have a breaker and
>>must
>> be
>> >>>>> >> careful. So I guess 1966 to 1977.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> At second 7 the quick engine rev up indicates vacuum/sliding
>> piston
>> >>>>> >> carbs
>> >>>>> >> or a 450 +- cfm 2 barrel.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Long times between shifts indicate a cast iron four speed and a
>> long
>> >>>>> >> throw
>> >>>>> >> or weak clutch pedal function.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Low amount of rear body dive/dip rules out the TR-6.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> At second 15, the dramatic on/off sounds are so English or
>>Ford.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> The exhaust sound of second 14 to 21 wfo indicates whooshing of
>> >>>>>maybe
>> >>>>> >> two
>> >>>>> >> small diameter exhaust pipes with weak/blownout mufflers yet a
>> large
>> >>>>> >> enough
>> >>>>> >> engine because of the throat noise, fine acceleration and no
>> exhaust
>> >>>>> >> smoke.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> The slowing down shows low brake dive and again no down
>>shifting
>> >>>>>would
>> >>>>> >> indicate that shifting difficulty again.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> So I guess a Mustang 289, TVR, modified TR-8 or Jenson V8.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Extra pickles, please.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Jeff Cobb
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> At second 14
>> >>>>> >> On Mar 9, 2013, at 11:17 PM, David Fisher
>><fisher95020 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> > Here's a clue.   This is a new toy to me - so you can
>>eliminate
>> >>>>>the
>> >>>>> >> > Jag E
>> >>>>> >> > type from the equation.   I like Jeff's analysis of the
>>clatter
>> >>>>>over
>> >>>>> >> > the
>> >>>>> >> > railroad tracks.
>> >>>>> >> >
>> >>>>> >> >
>> >>>>> >> > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 6:46 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
>> >>>>> >> > michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> >> >
>> >>>>> >> >>> 10 pts for # of cylinders    6
>> >>>>> >> >>> 20 pts of displacement (within 500cc)    2.5 lier
>> >>>>> >> >>> 10 pts for engines home country            England
>> >>>>> >> >>> 10 pts for guessing 0-100 mph (within 1/4 sec)       15
>> >>>>> >> >>> 30 pts for telling me what car it is           Triumph TR-6
>> with
>> >>>>> >> Webers.
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >> Michael Shortt
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Mike Drew
>><MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> >>>>>wrote:
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >>> Sounds like the venerable Jaguar straight 6. I can't tell
>>if
>> >>>>>its a
>> >>>>> >> >>> 3.8
>> >>>>> >> or
>> >>>>> >> >>> 4.2 so I will guess 4.0 and cover all my bases. Of course
>>it's
>> >>>>> >> >>> British.
>> >>>>> >> >>> It's unlikely to be in a mk II or a D type so I am going to
>> >>>>>guess E
>> >>>>> >> type.
>> >>>>> >> >>> Lets say 14 sex quarter mile.
>> >>>>> >> >>>
>> >>>>> >> >>> How did I do?
>> >>>>> >> >>> Mike
>> >>>>> >> >>>
>> >>>>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>> >> >>>
>> >>>>> >> >>> On Mar 9, 2013, at 19:45, David Fisher
>><fisher95020 at gmail.com
>> >
>> >>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>> >> >>>
>> >>>>> >> >>>> I figure this might be a bit of fun for the weekend.
>>Let's
>> see
>> >>>>> >> >>>> who
>> >>>>> >> can
>> >>>>> >> >>> get
>> >>>>> >> >>>> the highest score on this puzzle.   I was doing some fuel
>> >>>>>mapping
>> >>>>> >> >>>> on a
>> >>>>> >> >>> toy
>> >>>>> >> >>>> last weekend.
>> >>>>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>> >> >>>> Take a listen to the video and tell me what it is.
>> >>>>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>> >> >>>> http://youtu.be/WN1GevRwtKk
>> >>>>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>> >> >>>> 10 pts for # of cylinders
>> >>>>> >> >>>> 20 pts of displacement (within 500cc)
>> >>>>> >> >>>> 10 pts for engines home country
>> >>>>> >> >>>> 10 pts for guessing 0-100 mph (within 1/4 sec)
>> >>>>> >> >>>> 30 pts for telling me what car it is
>> >>>>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>> >> >>>> Total of 70 pts.  I'll by a burger for the winner. :-)
>> >>>>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>> >> >>>> David
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>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >> Michael L. Shortt
>> >>>>> >> >> Savannah, Georgia
>> >>>>> >> >> www.michaelshortt.com
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>> >>>>> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
>> >>>>> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71
>>Pantera
>> >>>>>#1382
>> >>>>> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
>> >>>>> "Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P.
>>Picasso
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>> >>>Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
>> >>>'65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera
>> #1382
>> >>>"The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
>> >>>"Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
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>> > Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
>> > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera
>> #1382
>> > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
>> > "Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
>> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera
>>#1382
>> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
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