[DeTomaso] Gts numbers

[Boyd Casey]

I am talking about my car. It is a US 1973 L . It's previous owner ( now
deceased)  is obviously unavailable to answer any questions. It has been
repainted twice .It was originally yellow, then red and is now white with
the rear hatch ( which is Fiberglas ) painted flat black ( like the euro
GTS ) . It also has the black diamond stitch vinyl on the inside of both
the front hood and rear hatch as well as the euro roof mounted antenna. It
also has an Edelbrock performer aluminum intake as well as a holly 650. I
have been planning on having the car painted and replacing the 73 front
bumper with black bumperettes. I am not crazy about the car in white but
when I read about and saw the Euro GTS  and since my car has much of the
Euro GTS accoutrements I though I might  complete the scheme instead of
completely changing the color. I would never attempt to represent the car
as anything other then an "L" . It has many additional upgrades that make
it in spirit closer to a GTS then an L so I thought about going for the
complete visual package.
Boyd

On Saturday, June 15, 2013, wrote:

>
> In a message dated 6/14/13 19 27 49, boyd411 at gmail.com <javascript:_e({},
> 'cvml', 'boyd411 at gmail.com');> writes:
>
>
> Of all the "GTS" labeled Panteras, how many do you think are "real" ,
>
> >>>They made 150 of them (US-market GTS Panteras).  All 150 of those are
> real.  All others aren't. :>)
>
> Those cars have numerous distinguishing characteristics, not the least of
> which is "GT" in the VIN, instead of "PN".  Also, the Body Service Number
> (BSN) starts with a "3" instead of a "5".  (European Pantera "L" cars
> started with a "4", although I have only seen a handful of those that still
> wore BSN tags)
>
> >if
> you have an L that is already painted in the GTS  color scheme (white with
> black hood and hatch, euro antenna on roof,aluminum Edelbrock  intake ,
> Holley 650,
>
> >>>There were no white US-market GTS Panteras.  What you describe sounds
> like a Euro GTS, although it would not have the one-piece L-model bumpers,
> at least not in the front.  Some Euro GTS Panteras did have a one-piece
> rear bumper, but it was mounted on T-shaped brackets, not the shocks that
> the US cars received.
>
>
> >do you think putting the "GTS"graphics applied would hurt the
> value or help it or make no difference. Just doing a little market
> research.
>
> >>>If one is painting a car in the GTS paint scheme, going all the way and
> adding the correct graphics would probably help.  Although it would be
> wrong to label the car as a genuine, factory-built GTS in that case, as
> long as the owner was up-front about the car's history, it would probably
> be seen as advantageous.  A halfway-done job (paint but no graphics), on
> the other hand, would seem to be unfinished business, and would probably
> hurt the value, relative to just leaving the car in its original, non-GTS
> paint scheme.
>
> Are you asking a theoretical question, or are you speaking of a specific
> car?  If so, do you know the history of that car, i.e. is it a genuine Euro
> GTS that was repainted, and left unfinished?  Or is it a US-market car that
> was repainted in the GTS scheme, and left unfinished?
>
> The guy who restored my Pantera owned a Euro GTS, probably the earliest
> I've ever seen (#3173, a March '72 car).  It had 11 (!) coats of paint on
> it when he stripped it down to restore it.  He chose to restore it as a
> conventional Pre-L, even going so far as to un-blacken the trim and chrome
> it.  I thought that was an unfortunate choice.  He later added Euro GTS
> side decals, but he left the hood and decklid red.
>
> I often wonder what ever became of that car, as he had to sell it many
> years ago.  His black bumpers wound up on my car and my chrome bumpers are
> on his car.  It would be great if somebody finished it off and brought it
> back to its original appearance....
>
> Mike
>