[DeTomaso] 3503 at a Costa Mesa dealer

[Jerry Knotts]

If they were so nice, why did George Lucas celebrate their revenge in a 
movie?


On 6/6/2013 9:32 AM, Jim Gray wrote:
> Nice folks, those Scythians.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Wed, June 5, 2013 6:26:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 3503 at a Costa Mesa dealer
>
> Dear Mike,
>
>
>            The definition of a cynic from the Devil's Dictionary  circa 1890
> by Ambrose Pierce:
>
> CYNIC, n. A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as
> they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a
> cynic's eyes to improve his vision.
>
>
>                          Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
> Of MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 5:17 PM
> To: steve at snclocks.com; asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 3503 at a Costa Mesa dealer
>
>
> In a message dated 6/5/13 6 50 44, steve at snclocks.com writes:
>
>
>> One thing that was not commented on are the dings I see in headers
>> from impacting things like half-shafts and sway bars.
>>
>>>> The headers are completely unmarked, as far as I can see.  The
> tailpipes have been 'clearanced' by being whanged by the swaybar, which is
> fairly
> typical.  The stock Pantera tailpipes were considerably smaller in
> diameter,
> while the factory GTS pipes were larger, and routinely got nailed by the
> swaybar when the suspension compressed.  These pipes have similar markings.
>
>
>>>    Is this pretty much to be
>> expected?  And, is it normal to see a flange/stub welded onto a pipe
>> that is part of a new exhaust system?
>>
>>>> How else would you connect the muffler/tailpipe assembly to the header?
> FWIW the tailpipe/mufflers are custom-made for this particular car, while
> the headers are Pantera-specific.
>
> Or are you talking about the muffler hanger?  Proper Pantera mufflers
> incorporate a tab to accept the muffler hanger, but these are just generic
> ricer-boy mufflers, so the muffler shop that fabricated the tailpipes had to
> make
> do and just weld tabs to the pipes to accept hangers.  I suppose they did
> a fairly decent job of it?
>>> And, lastly, what is the benefit of the "lay down" radiator?
>>>>> They lighten your wallet a lot!
> They afford the opportunity to use sucker fans, which theoretically might
> have better performance, but practically, not so much.  It allows better
> access to the headlight raising mechanism.  Tiltiing the radiator forward
> reduces its frontal area exposed to the relative wind and thus theoretically
> reduces its effectiveness, but practically, not so much.
>
> I think it's pretty much a wash, comparing the traditional setup with the
> laydown setup.  But a Pantera vendor put $1000 or more in his pocket, most
> likely replacing a perfectly good existing radiator/fan setup with a
> different, perfectly good radiator/fan setup, so SOMEBODY is gaining from
> the modification at least. :>)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike (the power of accurate observation is often labeled 'cynicism' by those
> who fail to have it...) _______________________________________________
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