[DeTomaso] DB electric starter bites the dust

[Boyd Casey]

To anyone interested in learning more about starters and the differences in
their evolution I found this book that describes different starters and
alternators.
Here is a link to the E-Book :*Starter and alternator E-Book*
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*Boyd*


On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes the wiring instructions for ANY PMGR STARTER is different then for an
> original OSGR starter. When transitioning to a PMGR (Permanent Magnet
> Gear reduction starter) you must switch the battery lead from one side of
> the fire wall mounted solenoid to the other side and then run a wire from
> the solenoid (on the fire wall) to the solenoid on the starter. DB Electric
> supplies the necessary wire as well as the instructions to facilitate this
> wiring. Other vendors of PMGR starters include the same instructions and
> wire that D&B Electric does. I made the necessary changes around 5 years
> ago when I first installed a D&B Electrical starter. It worked for close to
> five years with out incident ( until the recent series of failures). I am
> quite confident that the recent failures are due to defective solenoids in
> the new starters, Jack  DeRyke pointed out  a flaw or a weak point in the
> solenoids that may explain my recent run of failures. Jerry Knotts has also
> had two D& B electrical PMGR starters fail in rapid succession in
> circumstances almost identical to mine.
> Boyd
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Dave <dave at damardirect.com> wrote:
>
>> If you mis-wire the starter will function & all seem fine but it will
>> never dis-engage.****
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>> I don’t think you ever told me if you wired the starter to the DB
>> instructions or the conventional method.****
>>
>> Dave****
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>> *From:* Dave
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2013 6:47 PM
>> *To:* 'Boyd Casey'
>> *Subject:* RE: [DeTomaso] DB electric starter bites the dust****
>>
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>> I understand what you said & I wish I had an answer. One thing, did you
>> wire the DB starters as they outlined? Seems to me theirs is wired a little
>> differently than your original starter (prior the DB unit) ?****
>>
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>> *From:* Boyd Casey [mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com <boyd411 at gmail.com>]
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2013 6:06 PM
>> *To:* Dave
>> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] DB electric starter bites the dust****
>>
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>> Yes that's correct, but that was five years ago. When that starter
>> crapped out I bought a new one that lasted around six weeks (i also bought
>> a new optima battery at the same time and it was also around 4 years old
>> and I had it tested and it had some bad cells) I replaced the starter that
>> I bought in may and crapped out at the end of June and the new starter
>> crapped out in less then a week. The same thing happened to Bud Howard (
>> almost exactly) read his post and what DB Electric said to him about his
>> experience. My mechanic is a Pantera owner (has owned it since it was new)
>> he is also a member of our Long Island POCA chapter. He assures me that
>> everything was wired correctly and the starter had a solenoid failure. He
>> has not had a chance to check out the second failed starter because it is
>> still in the car. I will let you know what I find out.****
>>
>> Boyd****
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>> P.S. When I installed the new starter in may I also installed a new
>> voltage regulator,and  battery because I was planing on taking a long road
>> trip in the pantera and wanted to avoid problems on the road.****
>>
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>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Dave <dave at damardirect.com> wrote:****
>>
>> Boyd, I'm replying to only you.
>>
>> I'm no electrical whiz, but I have to think you can't get 2-3 consecutive
>> bad starters, no way.  I would bet any new one will fail. Why? I don't
>> know. Something is not right. I feel bad for you! I think you went through
>> one or more batteries as well.
>> There is a wiring issue. I remember when you got the first DB starter. I
>> don't think you wired it according the  DB instructions. I forget now why.
>> I think you corrected your wiring to the DB instructions, right?
>>
>> IndyDave****
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Boyd Casey [mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:25 PM
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] DB electric starter bites the dust
>>
>> I can hardly believe it but my newest DB Electric starter ( second since
>> may) bit the dust after only six days. Luckily I was in front of my house.
>> The starter just clicks. At first I thought it was a dead battery due to
>> my alternator issues but after trying a jump box and then charging my new
>> optima red top overnight there was no change. I had been happy with DB for
>> several years but this is to much of a coincidence. I am going to go with a
>> US made starter. Does anyone know of a problem that can be wiping out
>> solenoids Like this?
>> Boyd****
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