[DeTomaso] Keys

Fri Jul 19 16:12:06 EDT 2013

Several vendors and multiple sellers on eBay sell key blanks.

Michael Shortt

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Stephen Nelson <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:

> Keys - let's just say "it's complex".
>
>
>
> Just put a few more miles on 5332, went to a lock shop to get some
> duplicate
> keys cut.  First challenge is finding the blanks.  Looked under Italy in
> their reference book and there are the numbers for the door and the
> ignition
> key blanks.  Fine.  Door key is a single-sided blank, the ignition is
> double
> sided.  OK.  Hmmm.  So, since my double sided ignition key fits the doors I
> have the locksmith cut a door key blank double sided.  Works in the doors
> when aligned properly (in other words, will only go in one way).  Try it in
> the ignition.  Won't go in all the way, but goes in most of the way.
>  Funny,
> the original key sometimes hung up like that - so I wiggle it a bit.  No
> go.
> So, figure the wrong blank.  Go and get an ignition key blank cut.  Works
> on
> the doors, but only with one side up on one lock, with either side up on
> the
> other two.  Go figure.  But it also will not slide all the way into the
> ignition.  So, get back the original ignition key (the only key that came
> with the car).  It will not slide in the ignition.  ARGH!  It is clear at
> that point that the hump at the end of the key is keeping it from sliding
> all the way in.  So, back into the key shop and have them mill off the
> first
> bump on both sides on the ignition key made from a new blank.  Works a
> champ
> in the ignition but, of course, not in the doors.  But the car starts - so
> I
> am much happier than I was when nothing would get the ignition to come on.
> Good news, I have rebuilt 3 locks so far, now just one left to rebuild!
>
>
>
> Looking at the keys, the longitudinal slots on the ignition key are a
> sharper "V" than on the door keys.  So, apparently the ridges in the door
> locks are worn and the narrower slots in the ignition key can slip in.
> Actually, that is true of 2 of three door locks.  The last one only lets
> the
> ignition keys in in one orientation.  But then it works fine.
>
>
>
> On the door keys - wider slot, so they slip into the ignition when cut
> double sided.  So, when I am done rebuilding the ignition lock, the door
> keys will be the final answer.  I hope.  If not I can mill the slots in the
> ignition keys (ah the advantages of being a micro-machinist for my clock
> and
> watch hobby).
>
>
>
> So, end of the day, Mike Drew is right - the keys are not the same.  But,
> with worn door locks it is possible that an ignition key will slide in.
> And,
> vice versa, if the door keys are cut double sided they can slide into the
> ignition switch.  Well, they slide in and will likely work when I figure
> out
> what is screwed up in the ignition switch.
>
>
>
> Stephen Nelson
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> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:36 AM
> To: steve at snclocks.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Door Latch Rubbers and trunk security
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>
> In a message dated 7/17/13 8 28 51, steve at snclocks.com writes:
>
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>
>
>
> Good morning oh Pantera-knowledgeable folks.  As I fix little things on
> 5332
> I will need to figure out the best source of parts for various items.  The
> first one is the gasket around the external door latches.  Do the vendors
> carry such items?
>
>
> >>>I don't think those are available anywhere?
>
>
>
>
> >Are there vendors that are best for things like OEM rubber parts and other
> vendors better for other supplies?
>
>
>
> >>>Everyone has their favorites.  Many vendors will respond to pressure
> from
> cheap Pantera owners unwilling to pay top dollar for genuine stuff, and
> will
> offer cheap hot-rod alternatives to the genuine rubber.  Many will carry
> both and offer the customer the choice.  Genuine rubber is expensive and is
> made in Italy.  If it's important to you, ask that specific question before
> committing to buy.
>
>
>
>
> >And, a second question.  Is there a kit for converting the trunk latch to
> either an internal release or a keyed lock?
>
>
> >>>Uh...the stock trunk latch has a lock which is keyed to match the doors.
>
>
>
>
> >Am currently converting the door locks to match the replacement
> ignition/key
>
>
> >>>Won't ever happen.  Panteras have two keys--a large ignition key and a
> small door/trunk key.  You can try until doomsday and you won't get an
> ignition key to work a door/trunk lock.
>
> The ignition key is European Ford (Capri etc.) and the door/trunk key is
> Fiat.  I just went through this rekeying exercise on another Pantera.  I
> had
> a key that opened one door but not the other, and an extra tumbler.  Turns
> out that there is an undocumented change, and there are two different
> styles
> of tumbler and two different styles of key blank.  One key would go into
> one
> and another key would go into another.  I had to go home and get a third
> blank from my parts stash to get three that were of the same type, and then
> the locksmith was able to key all three to the same key and make several
> copies for me.
>
>
>
>
> >and trying to understand the reason for the windows slowing down about 3/4
> of the way up - it looks like this is a point where the glass goes through
> a
> very tight fit between the front and rear channels - like the designers
> meant for the glass to be precisely aligned so it could then fit into the
> back channel.  Comments?
>
>
> >>>Adjusting the windows is a black art.  When all the internal components
> are aligned correctly, they go up and down smoothly.  But enough people
> have
> horsed around inside their doors that it's common for that alignment to get
> goofed up, and then owners just get fed up and accept it.  I suspect that
> is
> what you are experiencing.
>
> It will take a concerted effort to take your door apart and loosen
> everything and get it aligned properly, but it can be done....
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
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Michael L. Shortt
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