[DeTomaso] Keys

Stephen Nelson steve at snclocks.com
Fri Jul 19 16:08:01 EDT 2013


Keys - let's just say "it's complex".

 

Just put a few more miles on 5332, went to a lock shop to get some duplicate
keys cut.  First challenge is finding the blanks.  Looked under Italy in
their reference book and there are the numbers for the door and the ignition
key blanks.  Fine.  Door key is a single-sided blank, the ignition is double
sided.  OK.  Hmmm.  So, since my double sided ignition key fits the doors I
have the locksmith cut a door key blank double sided.  Works in the doors
when aligned properly (in other words, will only go in one way).  Try it in
the ignition.  Won't go in all the way, but goes in most of the way.  Funny,
the original key sometimes hung up like that - so I wiggle it a bit.  No go.
So, figure the wrong blank.  Go and get an ignition key blank cut.  Works on
the doors, but only with one side up on one lock, with either side up on the
other two.  Go figure.  But it also will not slide all the way into the
ignition.  So, get back the original ignition key (the only key that came
with the car).  It will not slide in the ignition.  ARGH!  It is clear at
that point that the hump at the end of the key is keeping it from sliding
all the way in.  So, back into the key shop and have them mill off the first
bump on both sides on the ignition key made from a new blank.  Works a champ
in the ignition but, of course, not in the doors.  But the car starts - so I
am much happier than I was when nothing would get the ignition to come on.
Good news, I have rebuilt 3 locks so far, now just one left to rebuild!  

 

Looking at the keys, the longitudinal slots on the ignition key are a
sharper "V" than on the door keys.  So, apparently the ridges in the door
locks are worn and the narrower slots in the ignition key can slip in.
Actually, that is true of 2 of three door locks.  The last one only lets the
ignition keys in in one orientation.  But then it works fine.

 

On the door keys - wider slot, so they slip into the ignition when cut
double sided.  So, when I am done rebuilding the ignition lock, the door
keys will be the final answer.  I hope.  If not I can mill the slots in the
ignition keys (ah the advantages of being a micro-machinist for my clock and
watch hobby).

 

So, end of the day, Mike Drew is right - the keys are not the same.  But,
with worn door locks it is possible that an ignition key will slide in. And,
vice versa, if the door keys are cut double sided they can slide into the
ignition switch.  Well, they slide in and will likely work when I figure out
what is screwed up in the ignition switch.

 

Stephen Nelson

 

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From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:36 AM
To: steve at snclocks.com; detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Door Latch Rubbers and trunk security

 


In a message dated 7/17/13 8 28 51, steve at snclocks.com writes:





Good morning oh Pantera-knowledgeable folks.  As I fix little things on 5332
I will need to figure out the best source of parts for various items.  The
first one is the gasket around the external door latches.  Do the vendors
carry such items?


>>>I don't think those are available anywhere?




>Are there vendors that are best for things like OEM rubber parts and other
vendors better for other supplies? 



>>>Everyone has their favorites.  Many vendors will respond to pressure from
cheap Pantera owners unwilling to pay top dollar for genuine stuff, and will
offer cheap hot-rod alternatives to the genuine rubber.  Many will carry
both and offer the customer the choice.  Genuine rubber is expensive and is
made in Italy.  If it's important to you, ask that specific question before
committing to buy.




>And, a second question.  Is there a kit for converting the trunk latch to
either an internal release or a keyed lock? 


>>>Uh...the stock trunk latch has a lock which is keyed to match the doors.




>Am currently converting the door locks to match the replacement
ignition/key


>>>Won't ever happen.  Panteras have two keys--a large ignition key and a
small door/trunk key.  You can try until doomsday and you won't get an
ignition key to work a door/trunk lock.

The ignition key is European Ford (Capri etc.) and the door/trunk key is
Fiat.  I just went through this rekeying exercise on another Pantera.  I had
a key that opened one door but not the other, and an extra tumbler.  Turns
out that there is an undocumented change, and there are two different styles
of tumbler and two different styles of key blank.  One key would go into one
and another key would go into another.  I had to go home and get a third
blank from my parts stash to get three that were of the same type, and then
the locksmith was able to key all three to the same key and make several
copies for me.




>and trying to understand the reason for the windows slowing down about 3/4
of the way up - it looks like this is a point where the glass goes through a
very tight fit between the front and rear channels - like the designers
meant for the glass to be precisely aligned so it could then fit into the
back channel.  Comments?


>>>Adjusting the windows is a black art.  When all the internal components
are aligned correctly, they go up and down smoothly.  But enough people have
horsed around inside their doors that it's common for that alignment to get
goofed up, and then owners just get fed up and accept it.  I suspect that is
what you are experiencing.

It will take a concerted effort to take your door apart and loosen
everything and get it aligned properly, but it can be done....

Cheers!

Mike






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