[DeTomaso] Fwd: Refined Brute: 1972 De Tomaso Pantera
Bill Lewis
lotus0005 at hotmail.com
Fri Jul 12 12:58:09 EDT 2013
I think do what the politicians do - LIE!!! So, if someone walks up to you at the gas station, -------"What's that?" ---------"It's a Pantera." -----------"Oh, they had all kinds of problems, overheating - etc. etc. etc." ---------Then you say, "No that's all a pile of [use your favorite word here]! It's an Italian sports car built back in the 70's, with a Ford engine (mine has 585hp), and I drive it all the time. I've driven it to the National Pantera Rally in Phoenix. And, the price appreciates about 10%-20% a year. I love it!" Fight fire with fire!!!!! Maybe a catchy phrase for us: PUP IT (Pump Up Panteras) ---BILL Lewis
> From: jjdetrich at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:38:44 -0500
> To: boyd411 at gmail.com
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Refined Brute: 1972 De Tomaso Pantera
>
> A couple of additional thoughts,
>
> Just because you are having a problem, don't make it sound like all cars
> have the problem. Generally, I think there are fixes for just about
> anything that comes up.
>
> Under the category of five reasons the Pantera is a great car to own, I'd
> add that there are two forums that have subject master experts to help with
> any sort of problem you may be having: POCA's email list forum and the PI
> forum.
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I read the Classic Motorsports article and it is generally positive. One
> > thing I just don't understand is why Pantera owners always find something
> > negative to say about their cars. I've seen this over and over again at car
> > shows, in magazine articles, etc, etc. I find myself doing it
> > occassionally so I'm not knocking anyone.
> >
> > From the article, "though he acknowledges that at speeds much over 110 mph
> > (“closed course, professional driver,” of course) with the wide front
> > tires, front-end handling gets a little squirrelly."
> >
> > As a practical matter, this may true about his car but it is not true
> > about a properly set up and maintained car. We need to be careful and more
> > positive when we talk about the cars. The rap on the Pantera is that is a
> > problem plagued car and *every time we say something negative, it just
> > reinforces that misconception*.
> >
> > When the subject of problems come up, be ready with a response. When asked
> > about problems, I try to say that the very early cars had problems but they
> > were fixed by the factory and the later cars were great drivers. And here's
> > a good chance to put in a plug for the Pantera way of life. I always add
> > that over the years the factory and the Pantera vendors have added
> > enhancements that have made the car even better, more comfortable, better
> > handling, more powerful, and even better reliability. That's why you rarely
> > see a stock Pantera. And here I always add a final statement to the effect
> > that *a properly maintained and updated Pantera is an affordable and very
> > reliable car*.
> >
> > If someone asks about a specific problem, be prepared to answer those,
> > too. Overheating - solved (factory changed the radiator internal plumbing
> > and changed fans, today we use modern aluminum radiators), AC - solved
> > (rotary compressor and now have many aftermarket enhancements), brakes -
> > solved (truly, they were never bad, but adding Porterfield pads transforms
> > them, today we many aftermarket choices), electrics - solved (relays, and
> > today many aftermarket enhancements), trans - bulletproof (used in the
> > GT40s at LeMans). Learn these, "Early cars may have had problems but they
> > were fixed by...[add appropriate fix info.]"
> >
> > Over the years, one of the things I've learned about good communicators is
> > that they are prepared and have a practiced response for just about any
> > important concept and/or objection they want to get across to other people.
> > Make a list of the five important reasons why the Pantera is a great car to
> > own and be ready with a response. If there questions about reliability, be
> > ready with a response. And always end it up with, "A properly maintained
> > and updated Pantera is an affordable and very reliable car."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Produced in Italy from 1971 to 1992, imported by Ford in the early 70’s
> > 7200 produced, approx 5000 to the USA
> >
> > Advanced monocoque chassis designed by Dallara (builds Indy Cars today)
> > Fully independent suspension, disk brakes, big wheels and
> > tires
> >
> > Mid-mounted 351 Cleveland, easily massaged to 350 HP
> >
> > 5 speed, limited slip ZF transaxle used in the LeMans winning GT40s (still
> > being built today)
> >
> > Ahead of it’s time, ran circles around it’s contemporaries at the time,
> > Porsche, XKE, Ferrari Dino, Corvette
> >
> > Exciting, yet compliant, handling still very competitive today
> >
> > Cars are campaigned at Classic LeMans, Open Road Racing, club racing
> >
> > Easy to own
> >
> > A/C, power brakes, power windows, comfortable interior,
> > dropped floor plans for tall people
> >
> > Relatively easy to maintain when compared to other exotics,
> > local mechanics available
> >
> > Very reliable when properly maintained
> >
> > Parts are readily available and reasonably priced
> >
> > Factory is producing all the parts for the car
> >
> > Active vendor community (use wheels as an example -18 -19 inch Campys
> > by four different vendors)
> > Large selection of aftermarket performance, reliability,
> > safety, customization, racing parts, brakes,
> > electrics, interiors, cooling, chassis bracing,
> > performance parts designed and tested by the vendors
> >
> > Decent cars for $40-50,000, no premium for originality,
> > Panteras are drivers
> >
> > Local and national clubs
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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> >> Subject: Refined Brute: 1972 De Tomaso Pantera
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> >> Panteras can appeal to any sort of enthusiast. They have the refinement of
> >> an Italian sports car and brute force of an American muscle car. The whole
> >> concept <http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/detomaso-pantera/> is a
> >> good one, but unfortunately many have now been lost to neglect and
> >> corrosion. This particular 1972 example is being offered by the sibling of
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