[DeTomaso] Fwd: Refined Brute: 1972 De Tomaso Pantera

Jeff Detrich jjdetrich at gmail.com
Fri Jul 12 11:38:44 EDT 2013 

A couple of additional thoughts,

Just because you are having a problem, don't make it sound like all cars
have the problem. Generally, I think there are fixes for just about
anything that comes up.

Under the category of five reasons the Pantera is a great car to own, I'd
add that there are two forums that have subject master experts to help with
any sort of problem you may be having: POCA's email list forum and the PI
forum.

Jeff
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On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:

> I read the Classic Motorsports article and it is generally positive. One
> thing I just don't understand is why Pantera owners always find something
> negative to say about their cars. I've seen this over and over again at car
> shows, in magazine articles, etc, etc. I find myself doing it
> occassionally so I'm not knocking anyone.
>
> From the article, "though he acknowledges that at speeds much over 110 mph
> (“closed course, professional driver,” of course) with the wide front
> tires, front-end handling gets a little squirrelly."
>
> As a practical matter, this may true about his car but it is not true
> about a properly set up and maintained car. We need to be careful and more
> positive when we talk about the cars. The rap on the Pantera is that is a
> problem plagued car and *every time we say something negative, it just
> reinforces that misconception*.
>
> When the subject of problems come up, be ready with a response. When asked
> about problems, I try to say that the very early cars had problems but they
> were fixed by the factory and the later cars were great drivers. And here's
> a good chance to put in a plug for the Pantera way of life. I always add
> that over the years the factory and the Pantera vendors have added
> enhancements that have made the car even better, more comfortable, better
> handling, more powerful, and even better reliability. That's why you rarely
> see a stock Pantera. And here I always add a final statement to the effect
> that *a properly maintained and updated Pantera is an affordable and very
> reliable car*.
>
> If someone asks about a specific problem, be prepared to answer those,
> too. Overheating  - solved (factory changed the radiator internal plumbing
> and changed fans, today we use modern aluminum radiators), AC - solved
> (rotary compressor and now have many aftermarket enhancements), brakes -
> solved (truly, they were never bad, but adding Porterfield pads transforms
> them, today we many aftermarket choices), electrics - solved (relays, and
> today many aftermarket enhancements), trans - bulletproof (used in the
> GT40s at LeMans). Learn these, "Early cars may have had problems but they
> were fixed by...[add appropriate fix info.]"
>
> Over the years, one of the things I've learned about good communicators is
> that they are prepared and have a practiced response for just about any
> important concept and/or objection they want to get across to other people.
> Make a list of the five important reasons why the Pantera is a great car to
> own and be ready with a response. If there questions about reliability, be
> ready with a response. And always end it up with, "A properly maintained
> and updated Pantera is an affordable and very reliable car."
>
>
>
>
> Produced in Italy from 1971 to 1992, imported by Ford in the early 70’s
>              7200 produced, approx 5000 to the USA
>
> Advanced monocoque chassis designed by Dallara (builds Indy Cars today)
>              Fully independent suspension, disk brakes, big wheels and
> tires
>
> Mid-mounted 351 Cleveland, easily massaged to 350 HP
>
> 5 speed, limited slip ZF transaxle used in the LeMans winning GT40s (still
> being built today)
>
> Ahead of it’s time, ran circles around it’s contemporaries at the time,
> Porsche, XKE, Ferrari Dino, Corvette
>
> Exciting, yet compliant, handling still very competitive today
>
> Cars are campaigned at Classic LeMans, Open Road Racing, club racing
>
> Easy to own
>
>              A/C, power brakes, power windows, comfortable interior,
> dropped floor plans for tall people
>
>              Relatively easy to maintain when compared to other exotics,
> local mechanics available
>
>              Very reliable when properly maintained
>
>              Parts are readily available and reasonably priced
>
> Factory is producing all the parts for the car
>
> Active vendor community (use wheels as an example -18 -19 inch Campys
> by four different vendors)
>              Large selection of aftermarket performance, reliability,
> safety, customization, racing parts, brakes,
>                    electrics, interiors, cooling, chassis bracing,
> performance parts designed and tested by the vendors
>
>              Decent cars for $40-50,000, no premium for originality,
> Panteras are drivers
>
>              Local and national clubs
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
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