[DeTomaso] NPC: F1 Tire Failures

Darryl Johnson johnsondarr at hughes.net
Wed Jul 3 15:51:27 EDT 2013


Michael, you are blinded by what the “conspiracy theorists” say rather than
the facts. Fernando had a chance to win the Driver’s championship for
Ferrari and Massa didn’t. Fernando was being held up by Massa and the team
principal in his quest for points for the TEAM gave the pass command to
Massa. Fernando tried to support Massa and has had to take a personal hand
in keeping Massa as the no. 2 driver at Ferrari. You need to read Massa’s
side of this before you make these type of statements. HE DOES NOT blame
Fernando.

 

Fernando was the driver NOT the team principal at Renault. Fernando does not
command the team to do ANYTHING. Flavio is banned from F1 for life for
asking the no. 2 driver to crash, not Fernando. Flavio’s motives were
personal and enhanced his position with Renault if he could ensure a
championship.  The FIA after a complete investigation, McLaren AND Ferrari
have all stated that Fernando had nothing to do with the top engineer at
McLaren from coming over to ferrari with a briefcase full of design plans
from McLaren. Michael you surely don’t believe that Fernando has the clout
to command all these people to do these things while all investigations show
he had no part in either issue.

 

Certainly, you’ve read of the teams at Renault and Ferrari’s glowing
analysis of Fernando’s character and demeanor. Ask Felipe Massa who believes
Fernando is his greatest supporter within Ferrari at a time when it is not
popular to do so.

 

It is sounding more like you’re upset that Fernando consistently beat your
favorite driver in almost all categories. 

 

My definition of “the man” is that he is consistently one of the best on the
track and that HIS teammates  believe it as well. In fact, you need to check
out Lewis Hamilton’s opinion of Fernando (Racer magazine interview). See if
you think he believes there is no character or honor. If I remember Lewis
has the highest level of respect for Alonso considers Fernando his greatest
competitor.

 

Name calling doesn’t prove anything.

 

Darryl

 

From: michael at michaelshortt.com [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:47 AM
To: Darryl Johnson
Cc: LS; John Donahue; detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: F1 Tire Failures

 

If you have a teammate willing to crash his car into the bloody wall to
ensure that you win, if your team leader is EXPELLED ( Flavio) from the
sport forever for what he did to win those titles,

if you are in the middle of a tech spy case that resulted in a  100 million
dollar fine (McLaren), constantly whine like a little girl and pitch a hissy
fit because your teammate is in front of you (FerrarI), no matter which team
you are driving for,...

 

"Alonzo is ah faster than you", Ferrari speak for "he can't pass you, please
let him by"

 

yeah, Alonzo's the man, if your definition is cheater, cry baby, and stool
pigeon.

 

maybe he can drive, but he lacks character and honor.

 

I stand by my estimation of the little Philistine,

 

Michael

 

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Darryl Johnson <johnsondarr at hughes.net>
wrote:

Wow, Michael. Your description of Fernando Alonso is a bit off in my opinion
and I believe stems mostly from he and Lewis's issues at McLaren. At both
Renault (two time world champion) and at Ferrari Fernando is LOVED not just
liked. When Fernando went to McLaren as the current World Champion he was
promised a certain level of support and status as the No. 1 driver. Instead
Lewis and Ron Dennis the Team principal at McLaren treated him as a test
driver and for the most part as second spot driver. Fernando's response to
that was as it should have been. He held his No. 1 status as best he could
under the circumstances and then left for Ferrari. Ron Dennis was later
demoted and removed from race operations at McLaren. One reason among many
was the loss of what most people in F1 believe is the best driver in the
race.

You and I can disagree on these points so let's use Racer Magazine's poll of
the 12 team principal's in Formula One for their opinion of who is the "BEST
DRIVER". Out of 12 teams Fernando Alonso was picked by 10 teams as the best
driver in F1. Last year with a middle of the pack car he lost the
championship by what 2 or 3 points (forgot and didn't look this up)?

I agree Kimi is great! He is the ICEMAN and drives with great skill and
nerves of steel. But what most people like is his attitude. Summed up by his
response to the question of what would happen if he couldn't race in F1....
"there's lots of things to do besides F1"! This comment was made even more
contrasting to the other drivers who were panicking about where and who they
could drive for in the upcoming seasons.

But remember when Fernando was with Renault (now Lotus) he won the F1
championship twice. At a time when Mickael Schumacher and Ferrari were
almost invincible. Kimi has yet to do that at Lotus (Renault) however he is
a F1 World Champion. Right now the F1 championship is a race between Vettel
and you guessed it Fernando Alonso who has a clearly inferior car. Both have
a DNF due to failures.

Just to keep it real.

Darryl


-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
Of michael at michaelshortt.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:25 AM
To: LS
Cc: John Donahue; DeTomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: F1 Tire Failures

Kimi is my fav driver, he should have been a multiple time world champion,
he was so screwed during his time at McLaren, he developed that bcar for the
success that followed, much the same way that Schumacher did at MB for their
success this year.

I can't stand Diaz ( Alonzo's real name), cry baby, cheater, and stool
pigeon.

Michael




On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:20 PM, LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I really like Kimi and not just because he can put down some serious
booze.
>
> He's shown his incredible skill but the early season pace of the Lotus
> is gone.
>
> He does need to find a car (Lotus or not) that can perform...
>
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>  From: John Donahue <demongusta at me.com>
> To: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: F1 Tire Failures
>
>
> Kimi needs a car. He has milked the Lotus. Needs Webber's spot. Or
Mazza's.
>
> On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:51 AM, LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > That was scary to watch last weekend!
> >
> > Not very comforting for a drive to know that his left rear could go
> > at
> anytime.
> >
> > LS
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> > ________________________________
> > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> > To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 12:13 PM
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: F1 Tire Failures
> >
> >
> > Looks like I have to eat crow, who knew ( apparently NOT EVEN THE F1
> TEAMS,
> > for the first time is history that the tires were built
> > asymmetrically, ( Left side and Right side specific ), so when I
> > said otherwise, I was
> wrong,
> > but not alone.
> >
> > Here's the poop from Autoweek.
> >
> >
> > Michael Shortt
> >
> >
> > Pirelli releases statement regarding Silverstone tire failures *Tire
> > supplier says it is not to blame for failures*
> > By: Adam Cooper on July 2, 2013
> >
> >    -
> >    <
> http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130702/F1/1307099
> 60&template=XSendMail
> >
> >
> > Pirelli has issued the following statement on what happened at
> > Silverstone<http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130701/F1/130709996>
> > -- and what the company plans to do next. See our previous stories
> > for a summary.
> >
> > After exhaustive analysis of the tires used at Silverstone, Pirelli
> > has concluded that the causes of the failures were principally down
> > to a combination of the following factors:
> >
> > 1) Rear tires that were mounted the wrong way round: in other words,
> > the right hand tire being placed where the left hand one should be
> > and vice versa, on the cars that suffered failures. The tires
> > supplied this year have an asymmetric structure, which means that
> > they are not designed to
> be
> > interchangeable. The sidewalls are designed in such a way to deal
> > with specific loads on the internal and external sides of the tire.
> > So
> swapping
> > the tires round has an effect on how they work in certain
> > conditions. In particular, the external part is designed to cope
> > with the very high
> loads
> > that are generated while cornering at a circuit as demanding as
> > Silverstone, with its rapid left-hand bends and some kerbs that are
> > particularly aggressive.
> >
> > 2) The use of tire pressures that were excessively low or in any
> > case
> lower
> > than those indicated by Pirelli. Under-inflating the tires means
> > that the tire is subjected to more stressful working conditions.
> >
> > 3) The use of extreme camber angles.
> >
> > 4) Kerbing that was particularly aggressive on fast corners, such as
> > that on turn four at Silverstone, which was the scene of most of the
failures.
> > Consequently it was the left-rear tires that were affected.
> >
> > The only problems that had come to light before Silverstone were to
> > do
> with
> > delamination, which was a completely different phenomenon. To stop
> > these delaminations Pirelli found a solution by suggesting that the
> > teams use
> the
> > tires that were tried out in Canada from Silverstone onwards. When
> > this proposal was not accepted, Pirelli found another solution
> > through laboratory testing, with a different bonding process to
> > attach the tread
> to
> > the carcass. So the problem of delamination has nothing at all to do
> > with what was seen in Great Britain.
> >
> > Following the conclusions of this analysis, Pirelli would like to
> underline
> > that:
> >
> > 1) Mounting the tires the wrong way round is a practice that was
> > nonetheless underestimated by everybody: above all Pirelli, which
> > did not forbid this.
> >
> > 2) In the same way, under-inflation of the tires and extreme camber
> > settings, over which Pirelli has no control, are choices that can be
> > dangerous under certain circumstances. Because of this, Pirelli has
> > asked the FIA for these parameters to be a topic of accurate and
> > future examinations. (Doesn’t make sense) Pirelli has also asked for
> > compliance with these rules to be checked by a dedicated delegate.
> >
> > 3) Pirelli would also like to underline that the 2013 tire range
> > does not compromise driver safety in any way if used in the correct
> > manner, and
> that
> > it meets all the safety standards requested by the FIA.
> >
> > The logical conclusion is that it is essential for tires with the
> > performance and technical sophistication of the 2013 range to be
> regulated
> > and carefully controlled by Pirelli itself. In order to ensure the
> optimal
> > functioning of the tires, the Italian firm would need real-time data
> > from the teams regarding fundamental parameters such as pressure,
> > temperature and camber angles. While waiting for new regulations
> > that would permit Pirelli access to this data, vital for the
> > development and management of these state-of-the-art tires, the
> > following measures are proposed for the forthcoming grands prix, in
> > agreement with the FIA, FOM, the teams and
> the
> > drivers:
> >
> > 1) The use of the evolution of the current tire that was tested in
> > Canada (and proved to be completely reliable) for the German Grand
> > Prix this weekend. This represents the best match for the technical
> > characteristics of the Nürburgring circuit. In particular, the rear
> > tires that will be
> used
> > at the German Grand Prix, which takes place on July 7, have a Kevlar
> > construction that replaces the current steel structure and the
> > re-introduction of the 2012 belt, to ensure maximum stability and
> > roadholding. Given that these tires are asymmetric as well, it will
> > be strictly forbidden to swap them round. The front tires, by
> > contrast, will remain unaltered.
> >
> > 2) From the Hungarian Grand Prix onwards, the introduction of a new
> > range of tires. The new tires will have a symmetrical structure,
> > designed to guarantee maximum safety even without access to tire
> > data – which however is essential for the optimal function of the
> > more sophisticated 2013
> tires.
> > The tires that will be used for the Hungarian Grand Prix onwards
> > will combine the characteristics of the 2012 tires with the
> > performance of the
> > 2013 compounds. Essentially, the new tires will have a structure,
> > construction and belt identical to that of 2012, which ensured
> > maximum performance and safety. The compounds will be the same as
> > those used throughout 2013, which guaranteed faster lap times and a
> > wider working range. This new specification, as agreed with the FIA,
> > will be tested on-track together with the teams and their 2013 cars
> > at Silverstone from July 17-19 in a session with the race drivers
> > during the Young Driver
> Test.
> > These tests will contribute to the definitive development of the new
> range
> > of tires, giving teams the opportunity to carry out the appropriate
> set-up
> > work on their cars.
> >
> >
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