[DeTomaso] NPC: F1 Tire Failures

Brian Dudley bd8134 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 3 15:43:09 EDT 2013


Not an Alonso fan myself either.
8 out of 12 team principles voted for Alonso in 2012.
5 podium finishes from 8 races this season.
I do admire his talent and he seems to have moved on from his dark
days at Mclaren. Like before and now, not many drivers are able to
tolerate equal #1's.
Hopefully no exploding tires in Germany.

On Jul 3, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Darryl Johnson <johnsondarr at hughes.net> wrote:

> I can appreciate your OPINION on that. But when 10 out of 12 F1 Team principals pick Alonso as the “Best Driver in F1”. That has to say something. Renault (Lotus now) and Ferrari have had comparable cars the last two years based on qualifying and top speed numbers and Fernando has been on the podium more than any other driver except Vettel. So, not sure Kimi will blow the doors off Fernando, Vettel or Lewis Hamilton (not to forget Rosberg now). They all are top tier drivers with unique talents. I believe (my opinion) that Fernando has shown the most consistent top level finishes irrespective of the car he’s driving.
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> Here’s one for you. I believe that the announcers of the F1 Race at Silverstone pointed out that Fernando has finished on the podium in every race he has completed this year. Not even Vettel can say that. Kimi certainly can’t.
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> Ask Renault and Ferrari teams about Fernando’s personality. They universally love the guy.
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> I’m just sayin….
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> From: LS [mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:43 AM
> To: Darryl Johnson; michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: 'John Donahue'; DeTomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: F1 Tire Failures
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> Alonso is a good driver no doubt but not sure on his personality.
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> Kimi will blow his socks off in the right car (F1, Indy, NASCAR, Rally, etc.)...
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> From: Darryl Johnson <johnsondarr at hughes.net>
> To: michael at michaelshortt.com; 'LS' <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
> Cc: 'John Donahue' <demongusta at me.com>; DeTomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 2:41 PM
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC: F1 Tire Failures
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> Wow, Michael. Your description of Fernando Alonso is a bit off in my opinion
> and I believe stems mostly from he and Lewis's issues at McLaren. At both
> Renault (two time world champion) and at Ferrari Fernando is LOVED not just
> liked. When Fernando went to McLaren as the current World Champion he was
> promised a certain level of support and status as the No. 1 driver. Instead
> Lewis and Ron Dennis the Team principal at McLaren treated him as a test
> driver and for the most part as second spot driver. Fernando's response to
> that was as it should have been. He held his No. 1 status as best he could
> under the circumstances and then left for Ferrari. Ron Dennis was later
> demoted and removed from race operations at McLaren. One reason among many
> was the loss of what most people in F1 believe is the best driver in the
> race.
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> You and I can disagree on these points so let's use Racer Magazine's poll of
> the 12 team principal's in Formula One for their opinion of who is the "BEST
> DRIVER". Out of 12 teams Fernando Alonso was picked by 10 teams as the best
> driver in F1. Last year with a middle of the pack car he lost the
> championship by what 2 or 3 points (forgot and didn't look this up)?
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> I agree Kimi is great! He is the ICEMAN and drives with great skill and
> nerves of steel. But what most people like is his attitude. Summed up by his
> response to the question of what would happen if he couldn't race in F1....
> "there's lots of things to do besides F1"! This comment was made even more
> contrasting to the other drivers who were panicking about where and who they
> could drive for in the upcoming seasons.
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> But remember when Fernando was with Renault (now Lotus) he won the F1
> championship twice. At a time when Mickael Schumacher and Ferrari were
> almost invincible. Kimi has yet to do that at Lotus (Renault) however he is
> a F1 World Champion. Right now the F1 championship is a race between Vettel
> and you guessed it Fernando Alonso who has a clearly inferior car. Both have
> a DNF due to failures.
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> Just to keep it real.
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> Darryl
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
> Of michael at michaelshortt.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:25 AM
> To: LS
> Cc: John Donahue; DeTomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: F1 Tire Failures
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> Kimi is my fav driver, he should have been a multiple time world champion,
> he was so screwed during his time at McLaren, he developed that bcar for the
> success that followed, much the same way that Schumacher did at MB for their
> success this year.
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> I can't stand Diaz ( Alonzo's real name), cry baby, cheater, and stool
> pigeon.
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> Michael
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> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:20 PM, LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> I really like Kimi and not just because he can put down some serious
> booze.
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>> He's shown his incredible skill but the early season pace of the Lotus
>> is gone.
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>> He does need to find a car (Lotus or not) that can perform...
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>> From: John Donahue <demongusta at me.com>
>> To: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: DeTomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 12:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: F1 Tire Failures
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>> Kimi needs a car. He has milked the Lotus. Needs Webber's spot. Or
> Mazza's.
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>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:51 AM, LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> That was scary to watch last weekend!
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>>> Not very comforting for a drive to know that his left rear could go
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>> anytime.
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>>> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 12:13 PM
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: F1 Tire Failures
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>>> Looks like I have to eat crow, who knew ( apparently NOT EVEN THE F1
>> TEAMS,
>>> for the first time is history that the tires were built
>>> asymmetrically, ( Left side and Right side specific ), so when I
>>> said otherwise, I was
>> wrong,
>>> but not alone.
>>>
>>> Here's the poop from Autoweek.
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>>> Michael Shortt
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>>> Pirelli releases statement regarding Silverstone tire failures *Tire
>>> supplier says it is not to blame for failures*
>>> By: Adam Cooper on July 2, 2013
>>>
>>>   -
>>>   <
>> http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130702/F1/1307099
>> 60&template=XSendMail
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>>>
>>> Pirelli has issued the following statement on what happened at
>>> Silverstone<http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130701/F1/130709996>
>>> -- and what the company plans to do next. See our previous stories
>>> for a summary.
>>>
>>> After exhaustive analysis of the tires used at Silverstone, Pirelli
>>> has concluded that the causes of the failures were principally down
>>> to a combination of the following factors:
>>>
>>> 1) Rear tires that were mounted the wrong way round: in other words,
>>> the right hand tire being placed where the left hand one should be
>>> and vice versa, on the cars that suffered failures. The tires
>>> supplied this year have an asymmetric structure, which means that
>>> they are not designed to
>> be
>>> interchangeable. The sidewalls are designed in such a way to deal
>>> with specific loads on the internal and external sides of the tire.
>>> So
>> swapping
>>> the tires round has an effect on how they work in certain
>>> conditions. In particular, the external part is designed to cope
>>> with the very high
>> loads
>>> that are generated while cornering at a circuit as demanding as
>>> Silverstone, with its rapid left-hand bends and some kerbs that are
>>> particularly aggressive.
>>>
>>> 2) The use of tire pressures that were excessively low or in any
>>> case
>> lower
>>> than those indicated by Pirelli. Under-inflating the tires means
>>> that the tire is subjected to more stressful working conditions.
>>>
>>> 3) The use of extreme camber angles.
>>>
>>> 4) Kerbing that was particularly aggressive on fast corners, such as
>>> that on turn four at Silverstone, which was the scene of most of the
> failures.
>>> Consequently it was the left-rear tires that were affected.
>>>
>>> The only problems that had come to light before Silverstone were to
>>> do
>> with
>>> delamination, which was a completely different phenomenon. To stop
>>> these delaminations Pirelli found a solution by suggesting that the
>>> teams use
>> the
>>> tires that were tried out in Canada from Silverstone onwards. When
>>> this proposal was not accepted, Pirelli found another solution
>>> through laboratory testing, with a different bonding process to
>>> attach the tread
>> to
>>> the carcass. So the problem of delamination has nothing at all to do
>>> with what was seen in Great Britain.
>>>
>>> Following the conclusions of this analysis, Pirelli would like to
>> underline
>>> that:
>>>
>>> 1) Mounting the tires the wrong way round is a practice that was
>>> nonetheless underestimated by everybody: above all Pirelli, which
>>> did not forbid this.
>>>
>>> 2) In the same way, under-inflation of the tires and extreme camber
>>> settings, over which Pirelli has no control, are choices that can be
>>> dangerous under certain circumstances. Because of this, Pirelli has
>>> asked the FIA for these parameters to be a topic of accurate and
>>> future examinations. (Doesn’t make sense) Pirelli has also asked for
>>> compliance with these rules to be checked by a dedicated delegate.
>>>
>>> 3) Pirelli would also like to underline that the 2013 tire range
>>> does not compromise driver safety in any way if used in the correct
>>> manner, and
>> that
>>> it meets all the safety standards requested by the FIA.
>>>
>>> The logical conclusion is that it is essential for tires with the
>>> performance and technical sophistication of the 2013 range to be
>> regulated
>>> and carefully controlled by Pirelli itself. In order to ensure the
>> optimal
>>> functioning of the tires, the Italian firm would need real-time data
>>> from the teams regarding fundamental parameters such as pressure,
>>> temperature and camber angles. While waiting for new regulations
>>> that would permit Pirelli access to this data, vital for the
>>> development and management of these state-of-the-art tires, the
>>> following measures are proposed for the forthcoming grands prix, in
>>> agreement with the FIA, FOM, the teams and
>> the
>>> drivers:
>>>
>>> 1) The use of the evolution of the current tire that was tested in
>>> Canada (and proved to be completely reliable) for the German Grand
>>> Prix this weekend. This represents the best match for the technical
>>> characteristics of the Nürburgring circuit. In particular, the rear
>>> tires that will be
>> used
>>> at the German Grand Prix, which takes place on July 7, have a Kevlar
>>> construction that replaces the current steel structure and the
>>> re-introduction of the 2012 belt, to ensure maximum stability and
>>> roadholding. Given that these tires are asymmetric as well, it will
>>> be strictly forbidden to swap them round. The front tires, by
>>> contrast, will remain unaltered.
>>>
>>> 2) From the Hungarian Grand Prix onwards, the introduction of a new
>>> range of tires. The new tires will have a symmetrical structure,
>>> designed to guarantee maximum safety even without access to tire
>>> data – which however is essential for the optimal function of the
>>> more sophisticated 2013
>> tires.
>>> The tires that will be used for the Hungarian Grand Prix onwards
>>> will combine the characteristics of the 2012 tires with the
>>> performance of the
>>> 2013 compounds. Essentially, the new tires will have a structure,
>>> construction and belt identical to that of 2012, which ensured
>>> maximum performance and safety. The compounds will be the same as
>>> those used throughout 2013, which guaranteed faster lap times and a
>>> wider working range. This new specification, as agreed with the FIA,
>>> will be tested on-track together with the teams and their 2013 cars
>>> at Silverstone from July 17-19 in a session with the race drivers
>>> during the Young Driver
>> Test.
>>> These tests will contribute to the definitive development of the new
>> range
>>> of tires, giving teams the opportunity to carry out the appropriate
>> set-up
>>> work on their cars.
>>>
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