[DeTomaso] World's first aftermarket Cleveland engine in production

[Julian Kift]

But I think that's the crux depending where you want to be on the HP and given that decent original Cleveland blocks are getting harder to come by. Figure in that Todd's new blocks can be bored and stroked to 425CI safely (and I assume same for MME) and it's an apples to oranges comparison. So given that one is buying an aftermarket block anyway it becomes a question of iron vs. aluminum and the cost differential.
Julian

> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 17:21:03 -0400
> From: michaelsavga at gmail.com
> To: daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] World's first aftermarket Cleveland engine in	production
> 
> So, give or take about 140 lbs less weight.
> Assuming a 3100 wet weight with 500 hp, that equals 6.2 lbs per hp vs 5.92
> lbs per hp for $4,000.
> For racing purposes, I totally get it, losing 140 lbs for around $28 a
> pound is a bargain. For street and ocassional track day use, IMHO, only if
> you want the cool factor and have to buy a block anyway because of damage.
> OR
> you could spend way less than $4,000 and build in an additional 25 hp and
> be at the same place in the power/weight ratio.
> 
> Michael Shortt
> 
> 
> > From what I can find on the net (www.network54.com) MME is using
> Buttermore
> > blocks. It appears they are collaborating on the project.
> 
> They are not collaborating.  Each is pursuing their own aftermarket 351C
> blocks.
> Originally, Todd Buttermore sent his prototype block to MME for machining,
> build
> up and evaluation.  Mark also convinced Todd to machine the block undersize
> in
> certain areas so it could be finish machined by the builder.  At that time,
> Todd
> suggested that those in the pilot run of blocks send them to MME for
> final machining.
> Later, MME announced they were developing their own block.  Todd then
> accused MME
> of using his (Todd's) design as a basis for MME's block.  I have no
> idea if that's
> true but, given the timing, it is entirely plausible.
> 
> > Given that a standard 351 Cleveland weighs about 540-550lbs.  How much
> > weight is saved with an AL block?
> 
> I have an aluminum Fontana block that weighed in at 116 lbs.  I've weighed
> a standard iron 351C block at 172 lbs (Ford literature claims 165.5 lbs) on
> a bathroom scale.  My XE block was about 10 lbs heavier.  I have an old
> Super
> Ford magazine article that claims 404 lbs for an assembled Pantera engine
> that
> had aluminum Fontana block, aluminum Ford Motorsport high port heads and
> intake,
> aluminum waterpump, aluminum flywheel, and a mini-starter.
> 
> Dan Jones
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