[DeTomaso] NPC: Windows
Dick Koch
arkoch at earthlink.net
Sun Jan 27 12:21:31 EST 2013
Asa, glad I tuned into the forum today. During most of the 90's I ran
OS2 Warp at home until IBM made the decision to kill it. I still have
that computer with OS2 installed (now in the closet with the rest of my
bone yard), that runs Windows in a session under OS2.
Based on your comments, I may take my OS2 items out of mothballs and see
what someone will pay for them on eBay.
Dick Koch
On 1/27/2013 12:09 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
> Oh yea... I still have a brand new package of Windows 3.11 for
> Workgroups, still sealed, 3.5" floppies and manuals. And just in case I
> ever need it, I have a set of disks for DOS 6.22. I got rid of all the
> Windows 95 crap a while back, but I still have an install set for
> Windows 98 and XP. I also had until very recently a couple boxes of
> OS/2 version 3 and Warp 4. OS/2 still commands pretty good prices on ebay.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
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> On 1/27/2013 7:57 AM, gow2 at rc-tech.net wrote:
>> Ironically, last night we were cleaning some shelves in the basement. I
>> pulled out a 1/2 dozen windows 95 books. They are headed for the wood
>> burner if anyone want's one!
>>
>>
>>
>>> Give it another 1000 years and it will be known for what it was really
>>> worth. That's when they had realized that everyone knew to only install
>>> alternating versions of windows. Only the ones ending in an odd number
>>> worked at all.
>>>
>>> jerry
>>>
>>> On 1/26/2013 3:29 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com wrote:
>>>> You both know that Windows ME was best!
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 26, 2013 4:24 PM, "Jerry Knotts"<knottsj at galstar.com
>>>> <mailto:knottsj at galstar.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I thought XP was the cats meow. It was the first Windows that could
>>>> emulate the 1984 Apple operating system and not have "the blue
>>>> screen of
>>>> death" occur periodically.
>>>>
>>>> Started in computers in 1965 on a RAMAC,
>>>> jerry
>>>>
>>>> On 1/26/2013 2:53 PM, Charles McCall wrote:
>>>> > That's awesome!
>>>> >
>>>> > I remember Windows 3.1... and 3.11... and how 95 would be so
>>>> great....
>>>> >
>>>> > Charles McCall
>>>> > Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe
>>>> > 1985 DeTomaso Pantera #9375
>>>> > http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>> <mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>
>>>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>> <mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On Behalf
>>>> > Of gow2 at rc-tech.net<mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net>
>>>> > Sent: sábado, 26 de enero de 2013 21:41
>>>> > To: David Fisher
>>>> > Cc: POCA list
>>>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Optical turn signal control
>>>> >
>>>> > Had a guy her servicing our Laser a couple weeks ago. I talked
>>>> about doing
>>>> > things in Windows 3.1. He gave me a blank stare. I said, "you
>>>> know before
>>>> > Windows95?"......."What's Windows95?".....
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> It looks like you are having a lot of fun. I'll date myself,
>>>> but I
>>>> >> recall
>>>> >> making a x y milling controller off a Z80 eval board. Pretty
>>>> satisfying
>>>> >> to get all the things to work together.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Keep all the creativity coming... love to see it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> David
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:13 AM,<gow2 at rc-tech.net
>>>> <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> Cool stuff... do tell more...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> David
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The control for the turn signal encoder is called the Arduino.
>>>> The
>>>> >>> Arduino
>>>> >>> is what I call "a micro controller for dummies". These type of
>>>> platforms
>>>> >>> are becoming very popular. Arduino is one of the most popular
>>>> platforms
>>>> >>> with an enormous wealth of information.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I call it a micro controller for dummies because yu don't have
>>>> to
>>>> >>> understand much about the micro controller. Configuring and
>>>> programing
>>>> >>> is
>>>> >>> basic. If you have done ANY basic level introductory program
>>>> you can
>>>> >>> follow the examples which are plentiful through Google and
>>>> books. It is
>>>> >>> just about getting the syntax right.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The Arduino has a compiler (free download). The Arduino plugs
>>>> into a USB
>>>> >>> on the computer. If you want to control say a servo, in a Micro
>>>> >>> Controller
>>>> >>> you may have to create a signal at a specific pulse width to
>>>> operate the
>>>> >>> servo. In the Arduino, you make a note in the beginning to add
>>>> a servo,
>>>> >>> name an item a servo then tell the item to move to a position.
>>>> It's that
>>>> >>> simple. The rest is how you nest your program to do what you
>>>> want.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There is an explosion of these sort of boards right now. I
>>>> would say the
>>>> >>> Arduino is one of the most popular for this sort of
>>>> application. Radio
>>>> >>> Shack is even carrying these now; along with the LCD I use,
>>>> and intro
>>>> >>> boook, etc.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Someone directed me to a new board this week which...is not
>>>> really what
>>>> >>> I
>>>> >>> need here, but is unbelievable. It is basically a computer
>>>> which runs
>>>> >>> linux in the same configuration with massive inputs and
>>>> outputs. It is
>>>> >>> called the Raspberry and is ....$35. !!!!!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://www.alliedelec.com/lp/120626raso/
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Back to the Arduino. I start with the "Uno" which is a
>>>> prototyping
>>>> >>> board:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://arduino.cc/en/Main/arduinoBoardUno
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It has 14 digital input/output pins and 6 analog input output
>>>> pins. I
>>>> >>> work
>>>> >>> out the logistics with the prototyping board then move to a
>>>> more solid
>>>> >>> solution.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I have circuit boards made for the NANO which is pretty much
>>>> the same
>>>> >>> thing except it is designed to be soldered on a board:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://arduino.cc/en/Main/arduinoBoardNano
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The circuit boards I have made are designed to hook up the
>>>> things I need
>>>> >>> such as a voltage converter to take the voltage from 12v to 5,
>>>> sockets
>>>> >>> for thermocouple chips, encoder counters, pull up/down
>>>> resisters, mods
>>>> >>> etc. It is a flexible circuit in which I am on my 3rd rendition.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The encoder itself is not hard but the timing can be tricky.
>>>> The encoder
>>>> >>> has 2 LED emitters/detectors. They are staggered 1/2 wave. The
>>>> logic is
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>> read the separate waves. If both are high and one goes low,
>>>> you know
>>>> >>> which
>>>> >>> direction it is moving. Each move provides a count.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The tricky spot is timing. If you are doing things in the
>>>> program when
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> count comes across, you will miss it. A separate chip is used
>>>> to take
>>>> >>> care
>>>> >>> of the logic. It is a very simple chip which works well for this
>>>> >>> application. It tags the Arduino on 2 pins. One pin is an
>>>> interrupt. It
>>>> >>> gives direction and count +/- 1. The interrupt is the key
>>>> because at
>>>> >>> every
>>>> >>> count it interrupts the program and updates the count so
>>>> nothing is
>>>> >>> missed. Works very well for this application.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The arduino will also manage 8 servos on the heaterbox in a
>>>> constant
>>>> >>> loop.
>>>> >>> If an input condition has changed it will turn on the servo,
>>>> move it,
>>>> >>> and
>>>> >>> turn it off.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There is a whole group of conditions going on in the turn signal
>>>> >>> process.
>>>> >>> It will control each of the 4 turn signals and flashers via a
>>>> power
>>>> >>> mosfet. It has a few things to consider; position of the
>>>> wheel, are the
>>>> >>> flashers and turn signals on at the same time, are the lights
>>>> on (the
>>>> >>> front marker is both marker and turn signal), manual cancel,
>>>> etc.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I can do creative things like make the front marker both a
>>>> turn signal
>>>> >>> and
>>>> >>> a marker. If flashers and turn signals are on, I will flash
>>>> 2x, turn
>>>> >>> signal 2x, flash 2x, etc. If I leave the turn signal on for 5
>>>> min, turn
>>>> >>> them off. Things like that.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> he left is the prototype. The right is the actual column. You
>>>> are seeing
>>>> >>> the bottom of the column:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://www.rc-tech.net/cars2/panttransam/turn/turn3.jpg
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I have been working through the learning curve on the
>>>> prototype. This
>>>> >>> involves making a lot of mistakes, figuring out what I have
>>>> done and
>>>> >>> getting it right. A soldered board is so much better when done
>>>> right the
>>>> >>> first time. As I get parts nailed down, I hope to begin putting
>>>> it
>>>> >>> together in the car Sunday with some finish wiring. So much
>>>> still to do.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The mile stone for me was getting the encoder to read reliably
>>>> without
>>>> >>> error which I have done. That above all was the hardest part.
>>>> The rest
>>>> >>> is
>>>> >>> just logistics.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Gary
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 2:51 PM,<gow2 at rc-tech.net
>>>> <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Here are some parts being used to build the encoder based turn
>>>> >>> signal:
>>>> >>>>> http://www.rc-tech.net/cars2/panttransam/turn/turn.jpg
>>>> >>>>>
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