Dear Will,
Thanks for the excellent "you-are-there" review of costs, mods,
fiddling and futzing with it plus the end result benefits. Full
disclosure, I would say.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Will Kooiman [mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:04 PM
To: Bill Moore; cengles at cox.net; julian_kift at hotmail.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Cain (AussieSpeed) Cleveland IDF Manifold
Importance: High
My intake for A3 heads was $800 on ebay.
New 48 IDA carbs are about $450 each. I am going from memory, so you should
verify the price on your own. I bought mine from redline Weber.
I don't know about prices for IDF carbs, but I bet they are similar.
Linkage kits run around $150, but if I had it to do all over again, I'd ship
it to Inglese. His work is excellent, and he'll get the linkage working
perfectly. If you buy the $150 kit, you'll spend another $100 here and
there tweaking it, and it will take a long time before you are happy with
it.
Webers run lower pressure fuel, so you can either buy a Weber fuel pump for
around $150, or you can run a normal fuel pump with a regulator.
Filters are difficult to find. Hall had a nice filter, and may still have
them. I had a pair made using e-machine shop. The total was around $1,000,
plus my time.
The K/N elements are about $75 each.
Fuel lines - I did standard -6 AN, but you need the banjo fittings to fit
Webers. Figure $100-$200, depending on your stash of -6 lines.
I changed to 42 chokes (stock is 37). I haven't changed anything else.
Figure $300 or so on jets before you are happy or closer to $1000 if you
have problems tuning or if you are difficult to please. I did a lot of
research before I bought anything. I figured 427 Cobras are pretty close to
what I wanted, so I modeled mine from postings on clubcobra.com.
Cutting the deck was free. When my car was painted, the painter/restorer
made my crude cuts look like they came from the factory. He did an
excellent job. I am very happy.
Total cost is $4,000 to $5,000. The $3,000 cost does not include filters.
You can buy K/N filters for each carb, but the carbs are so close they
touch, plus I don't like the look. That's a personal thing. You might like
the look. If you use the K/N filters, you are looking at roughly
$200 for the set.
Of course, the total cost will vary depending on what you want, but don't
believe you'll spend $3,000 and be satisfied. But Webers ARE worth it.
Huge power gains down low. The biggest negative aside from the cost is they
take the mean out of the exhaust. The idle sounds much more tame.
--
Will
On 1/25/13 1:52 PM, "Bill Moore" <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>Yes Chuck, Now we are talkimg.
>
>
>Cheers:
>
>Bill Moore
>Incendium Supply Ltd.
>Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
>Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
>403.202.0055
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
>Behalf Of cengles at cox.net
>Sent: January-25-13 11:47 AM
>To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
>Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Cain (AussieSpeed) Cleveland IDF Manifold
>
>Dear Julian and Corey,
>
>
> I have always been a fan of the Webers stack, but I have
>learned that it does come with a price. Given the availability of an
>excellent Cleveland IDF intake manifold for IDF Webers,
>then........what would the associated costs be for eight IDF carbs plus
throttle linkage
>plus anything else pertinent to such a project?? $825 + shipping +
>carbs + special throttle linkage = about how much to have a stack of
>IDF Webers atop the Cleveland?
>
>
> Curious, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
>
>> Some of you might recall back in 2011 I was trying to pull together a
>> group buy for the Aussie Speed manifold, there was some interest but
>> we never quite got the minium 5 committment.
>> There has been some renewed discussion and interest on the PI forum
>> so I thought I'd try and resurrect the group buy to see if we can't
>> get enough people to make this happen. I'm just looking for
>> expression of interest at present and then we can get an idea of
>> discount available based upon potential numbers.
>> The US$ has recovered a little recently which puts the list price of
>> AUS$925 around US$895 + shipping from Australia. I was also hoping to
>> take advantage that many buyers might be at the Fun Rally so
>> potential savings on shipping if all the manifolds are bulk shipped
>> to one address and distributed from there. (assuming Aussie Speed has
>> sufficient current stock which they are verifying next week).
>> Those interested drop me an e-mail offline and we'll go from there.
>> Julian
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2011 1:21 AM, "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>> Many years ago there was a Cleveland IDF pattern IR manifoild
>> manufactured by Cain in Australia. It has been out of production for
>> many years and became 'unobtainium', leaving the only option for
>> those wanting to use a Weber IDF carb setup to obtain an IDA style
>> manifold and use IDF adapters. The adapters raise the carbs
>> significantly, requiring removal of the screen and notching of the
>> decklid like IDA's. The IDF carbs are more streetable than the IDA's
>> and the Cain manifold maintains the carbs low enough it allows use of
>> the IDF's with filters to all clear the decklid/screen.
>>>
>> A few years ago AussieSpeed acquired the rights to the Cain manifold
>> and I have been following the progress of production of the IDF
>> manifold by AussieSpeed. That manifold is now available and
>> AussieSpeed alluded to a discount for a group buy, so dual purpose of
>> this e-mail is to a) make those unaware that the option to use IDF's
>> and retain stock screen/decklid is areal one and b) to gauge interest
>> in a group buy. AussieSpeed won't commit to a discount until we have
>> some numbers but I'd expect to get at least 10% on up to five, more
>> if we can get higher buy in. Anyone half way seriously interested?
>>>
>>> Here is the original Cain manifold;
>>> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=29150
>>>
>>> The AussieSpeed reproduction;
>>> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=29146
>>>
>>> http://www.aussiespeed.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.
>>> product_details&flypage=vmj_ace.tpl&product_id=223&vmcchk=1&Itemid=2
>>> 3
>>>
>>> And here are 48IDF's with filters fitted to a Pantera, all snugly
>>> under the screen.
>>> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=29153
>>>
>>> Julian _______________________________________________
>>
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