[DeTomaso] Ethanol "enriched" (diluted) fuel

Sat Jan 12 21:32:33 EST 2013

This is a great article!

http://www.megamanual.com/flexfuel.htm

sean

On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well said.  Choice is part of what makes the free market system work.  And
> that means choice on a level playing ground too, where one choice is not
> heavily subsidized over another.
>
> I had a friend tell me recently that the fuel economy is much worse when
> he burns E85 in his flex fuel vehicle (Ford, but I forgot the model).  His
> explanation was that the computer recognized the higher alcohol content,
> so it over adjusted.  I'm not saying his analysis is right or wrong.  I'm
> just repeating what he said.  It at least sounds reasonable.
>
> Does anyone know how flex fuel vehicles "know" the alcohol content?  I'm
> assuming there is a sensor in the tank, but how would it work?  Specific
> gravity?  I guess I could google it.
>
> On 1/12/13 6:19 PM, "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I work for a major international agriculture seed and chemical
>>supplier concern.  Ethanol production has a very significant impact on
>>our bottom line and we provide a number of attractive products making
>>a lot of progress to get the BTU tradeoff near unity.  Invest in us
>>since our stock price only seems to rise so our shareholders are
>>pretty happy with this.  The future in this space is pretty bright
>>indeed and the technology is quite exciting.
>>
>>But it's getting very very hard for me to fine 100% gasoline in my
>>area and almost all my cars and lawn implements are negatively
>>impacted by this (my rubber hoses and O rings have turned to goo).
>>What I would *really* like is choice and then we could make educated
>>purchases in fuel markets.
>>
>>sean
>>
>>On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Jerry Knotts <knottsj at galstar.com> wrote:
>>> Being a farmer I appreciate everything the government does in the farm
>>> subsidy area.    Being a driver not so much so.
>>>
>>> My grocery getter gets 8 percent less mileage on Ethanol blended 10
>>> percent.  Everything else I have is using diesel, gasoline, or Propane.
>>> 131,000 Btu are needed to make 1 gallon of ethanol. One gallon of
>>> ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 Btu.  Every time you make 1
>>> gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 Btu.
>>>
>>> Government subsidies lower the price artificially.  Government subsidies
>>> represent about  $4.18 per gallon.  The 131,00 BTUs used are from oil
>>> and it uses about 1/50th  of an acre of corn (on a good year) to produce
>>> a gallon of Ethanol.  Corn is hard on the ground and require a high
>>> input of fertilizer.    Nitrogen fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides
>>> are all made from fossil fuels, as is the diesel fuel, gasoline, LPG,
>>> natural gas, electricity, transportation and irrigation used to grow and
>>> transport the corn.  Water input is also high but it is either provided
>>> naturally or not, in my case I can't afford irrigation.
>>>
>>> If I was still actively farming I would stop growing grass for cattle
>>> and start growing corn for cars.
>>>
>>> To late smarter,
>>> jerry knotts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/10/2013 11:28 AM, Dick Koch wrote:
>>>> Roland, even with the diverse opinions on the affects of Ethanol on
>>>> pre-ethanol diluted fuel vehicles and equipment, I know we all can
>>>>agree
>>>> that the price of Frito's has increased with the increased use of corn
>>>> based ethanol.
>>>>
>>>> Dick Koch - Atlanta
>>>> On 1/10/2013 11:37 AM, Roland Jaeckel wrote:
>>>>> We have 10 percent Ethanol over here without any issues in any car.
>>>>> I think the swedes have up to 85 percent.
>>>>> Roland Jaeckel
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Koch" <arkoch at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: <detomaso at poca.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ethanol "enriched" (diluted) fuel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> While the use of Ethanol diluted fuel has been discussed before,
>>>>>>folks
>>>>>> may be interested in viewing this video on the use of the Ethanol
>>>>>> "enriched" fuel being pushed by the EPA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  From my standpoint, I would not use any Ethanol enriched fuel, not
>>>>>>only
>>>>>> in my Pantera, but any car or other equipment, such as generators or
>>>>>> lawn equipment.  A couple of web sites I use to identify Ethanol free
>>>>>> fuel are:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://pure-gas.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.htapps.ethanolfreega
>>>>>>s&hl=en
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dick Koch
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'65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382
"The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
"Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso