[DeTomaso] Ethanol "enriched" (diluted) fuel

[Jerry Knotts]

Being a farmer I appreciate everything the government does in the farm 
subsidy area.    Being a driver not so much so.

My grocery getter gets 8 percent less mileage on Ethanol blended 10 
percent.  Everything else I have is using diesel, gasoline, or Propane.
131,000 Btu are needed to make 1 gallon of ethanol. One gallon of 
ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 Btu.  Every time you make 1 
gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 Btu.

Government subsidies lower the price artificially.  Government subsidies 
represent about  $4.18 per gallon.  The 131,00 BTUs used are from oil 
and it uses about 1/50th  of an acre of corn (on a good year) to produce 
a gallon of Ethanol.  Corn is hard on the ground and require a high 
input of fertilizer.    Nitrogen fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides 
are all made from fossil fuels, as is the diesel fuel, gasoline, LPG, 
natural gas, electricity, transportation and irrigation used to grow and 
transport the corn.  Water input is also high but it is either provided 
naturally or not, in my case I can't afford irrigation.

If I was still actively farming I would stop growing grass for cattle 
and start growing corn for cars.

To late smarter,
jerry knotts



On 1/10/2013 11:28 AM, Dick Koch wrote:
> Roland, even with the diverse opinions on the affects of Ethanol on
> pre-ethanol diluted fuel vehicles and equipment, I know we all can agree
> that the price of Frito's has increased with the increased use of corn
> based ethanol.
>
> Dick Koch - Atlanta
> On 1/10/2013 11:37 AM, Roland Jaeckel wrote:
>> We have 10 percent Ethanol over here without any issues in any car.
>> I think the swedes have up to 85 percent.
>> Roland Jaeckel
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Koch" <arkoch at earthlink.net>
>> To: <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:13 PM
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ethanol "enriched" (diluted) fuel
>>
>>
>>> While the use of Ethanol diluted fuel has been discussed before, folks
>>> may be interested in viewing this video on the use of the Ethanol
>>> "enriched" fuel being pushed by the EPA.
>>>
>>> http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/
>>>
>>>  From my standpoint, I would not use any Ethanol enriched fuel, not only
>>> in my Pantera, but any car or other equipment, such as generators or
>>> lawn equipment.  A couple of web sites I use to identify Ethanol free
>>> fuel are:
>>>
>>> http://pure-gas.org/
>>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.htapps.ethanolfreegas&hl=en
>>>
>>>
>>> Dick Koch
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