[DeTomaso] Ethanol "enriched" (diluted) fuel

Thu Jan 10 13:14:43 EST 2013

I did a similar experiment here last summer using 10% Ethanol Gas and 100%
"Boat" Gas.

Almost to the penny, the extra 10% (.30 per gallon) cost of the "Boat" gas
was justified
in 10% better gas mileage in my Magnum R/T Hemi.

I always run prem gas plus a bottle of Octane booster in the Pantera, so a
real head to head
comparison wasn't available for the Pantera, Boat gas is mid grade octane
level here.

So it becomes a matter of being near the few stations where it is sold when
I need gas, you can absolutely feel the difference

Here is a list of where you can buy it in the USA.   http://pure-gas.org/

Michael Shortt

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se> wrote:

> 2013-01-10 17:37, Roland Jaeckel skrev:
> > We have 10 percent Ethanol over here without any issues in any car.
> > I think the swedes have up to 85 percent.
>
> We have E85, but you can't use that in non-flexfuel cars, or converted
> cars.
>
> You need about 30% more E85 than E5 for the same amount of work.
>
> My daughter has a VW Golf Multifuel, than runs on anything between E0
> and E85, and it consumes about 7l/100km on E5, but around 10l/100km on E85.
>
> I did an experiment on the Pantera, where I had three different EFI
> tunes (I can select up to 5 different tunes with a rotary switch). I
> started out with around 30% E85 and 70% E5, and I drove it up to the
> cabin, and I filled it with 100% E85 in the last major city before I
> arrived, and it ran good, but promptly blew a head gasket :(
>
> The only thing I changed in the tune was to lie to the engine management
> box that the injectors were smaller than they really are, so it
> calculated it needed longer duty-cycle to inject the correct amount of
> fuel.
>
> I'm not really blaming the fuel, but it was within about 30 km:s since I
> had filled it up with E85.
>
> I haven't experimented with E85 since ;)
>
> Cheers,
> Thomas
>
>
> > Roland Jaeckel
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dick Koch"<arkoch at earthlink.net>
> > To:<detomaso at poca.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:13 PM
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Ethanol "enriched" (diluted) fuel
> >
> >
> >> While the use of Ethanol diluted fuel has been discussed before, folks
> >> may be interested in viewing this video on the use of the Ethanol
> >> "enriched" fuel being pushed by the EPA.
> >>
> >> http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/
> >>
> >>  From my standpoint, I would not use any Ethanol enriched fuel, not only
> >> in my Pantera, but any car or other equipment, such as generators or
> >> lawn equipment.  A couple of web sites I use to identify Ethanol free
> >> fuel are:
> >>
> >> http://pure-gas.org/
> >>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.htapps.ethanolfreegas&hl=en
> >>
> >> Dick Koch
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