[DeTomaso] NOS Block on Ebay

Paul Rimov rimovp at gmail.com
Sat Dec 28 11:00:45 EST 2013


Hey dudes there is a NOS advertised block on Ebay. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-351-Cleveland-Engine-Block-4-Bolt-Main-Pantera-Boss-Mustang-Cobra-Jet-/321285002971?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ace1416db&vxp=mtrOn Dec 27, 2013, at 11:00 AM, detomaso-request at poca.com wrote:

Paul 

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>   1. GTR2 Pantera model (Asa Jay Laughton)
>   2. Re: Really Hot Header (sean mundy)
>   3. Holley donor carb (Asa Jay Laughton)
>   4. Re: Really Hot Header (Mike Drew)
>   5. Re: Fuel tank repair (Chance Dorsey)
>   6. new porterfield pads (Leonejay at aol.com)
>   7. Re: new porterfield pads (Asa Jay Laughton)
>   8. Re: Amazing Videos From SPA 2011 (Sam)
>   9. Re: new porterfield pads (Brent Stewart)
>  10. Re: Amazing Videos From SPA 2011 - Turbine Car? (Daniel C Jones)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 15:33:05 -0800
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] GTR2 Pantera model
> Message-ID: <52BCBCB1.2050104 at asajay.com>
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> Hey all,
> 
> Does anyone have a copy of the GTR2 Pantera model they can send me?  A
> friend and I are beginning to get into GTR2 but I'm having a hard time
> finding a copy of the Pantera model readily available on the Internet. 
> As I recall, someone on this list had their Pantera used for generating
> this model.  It would be cool if I could find a copy to use with the game.
> 
> Thank you,
> Asa  Jay
> 
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************     
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 16:19:53 -0800
> From: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, bill gaino
> 	<gaino at earthlink.net>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Really Hot Header
> Message-ID: <BLU177-W3BD870D598648C5EC26B5BDCD0 at phx.gbl>
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> Had some free time after opening presents and checked the timing. 
> 
> Timing was at 2deg retarded!
> 
> Hopefully this is the only reason its not running very good.  
> 
> I took the distributor out and saw some bad news. 
> My bronze dist gear was worn down so that the gears were very thin and razor sharp.  
> 
> The gear didn't look like it had spun on the shaft because of a broken pin.  Think I remember
> 
> that Mike Drew had this same issue with his new engine a couple years ago.  Can't 
> 
> remember what he did to resolve it though.
> 
> 
> 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Really Hot Header
> From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 20:33:21 -0500
> CC: seanmundy at hotmail.com; asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at poca.com
> To: gaino at earthlink.net
> 
> Well, that's weird. 
> 
> 
> I can't think of many things on a Holley equipped engine that would heat just one header.
> 
> 
> 
> Check everything you can think of, including all of the valves (opening properly), spark plugs (all the same color), plug wires, etc.
> 
> 
> On Dec 17, 2013, at 2:39 PM, bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe you have too much fuel in the bowl and it is overflowing into the intake.  
> Check you float levels.  Bill 1362
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: sean mundy 
> Sent: Dec 17, 2013 1:59 PM 
> To: "asajay at asajay.com" 
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Really Hot Header 
> 
> 
> I have a holley 750 with CHI Intake and CHI3v heads. Stock distributor with points eliminator. Thought about timing issues but that probably would cause both headers to heat the same rate?.  My spark plugs on the side with the red hot header are a little dark like being too rich, not white or burned like its running lean. 
> 
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> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 16:27:35 -0800
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Holley donor carb
> Message-ID: <52BCC977.70508 at asajay.com>
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> Does anyone have a Holley 750 vacuum secondary they'd consider parting
> with?  An old one on the shelf that's no longer used might be perfect
> for this experiment.  It doesn't have to work, it just needs to be a
> good core.
> 
> If you have one you'd be willing to donate, please contact me personally.
> Thank you,
> Asa  Jay
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> -- 
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 17:21:16 -0800
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Really Hot Header
> Message-ID: <134C8C2A-2197-4623-A16C-D2F203D562B3 at aol.com>
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> Sean,
> 
> Bronze gears are racing only parts with a very short lifespan. 5k miles is enough to turn them into scrap and some last car less than that. 
> 
> If you have a steel roller cam you need a Crane steel gear. My gear failed because it was purported to be a Crane but in fact it was a Miloden gear. My replacement Crane gear is perfect after a few years. (I have pulled it and checked)
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 26, 2013, at 16:19, sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Had some free time after opening presents and checked the timing. 
>> Timing was at 2deg retarded!
>> Hopefully this is the only reason its not running very good.  
>> I took the distributor out and saw some bad news. 
>> My bronze dist gear was worn down so that the gears were very thin and razor sharp.  
>> The gear didn't look like it had spun on the shaft because of a broken pin.  Think I remember
>> that Mike Drew had this same issue with his new engine a couple years ago.  Can't 
>> remember what he did to resolve it though.
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Really Hot Header
>> From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
>> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 20:33:21 -0500
>> CC: seanmundy at hotmail.com; asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at poca.com
>> To: gaino at earthlink.net
>> 
>> Well, that's weird.
>> 
>> I can't think of many things on a Holley equipped engine that would heat just one header.
>> 
>> Check everything you can think of, including all of the valves (opening properly), spark plugs (all the same color), plug wires, etc.
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2013, at 2:39 PM, bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe you have too much fuel in the bowl and it is overflowing into the intake. 
>> Check you float levels.  Bill 1362
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: sean mundy 
>> Sent: Dec 17, 2013 1:59 PM 
>> To: "asajay at asajay.com" 
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Really Hot Header 
>> 
>> I have a holley 750 with CHI Intake and CHI3v heads. Stock distributor with points eliminator. Thought about timing issues but that probably would cause both headers to heat the same rate?.  My spark plugs on the side with the red hot header are a little dark like being too rich, not white or burned like its running lean. 
>> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 22:41:23 -0600
> From: Chance Dorsey <chance.dorsey at yahoo.com>
> To: Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel tank repair
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> This organization took care of my tank for me.  The closest one to me is down around Houston. This was a recommendation from Dennis Q. and it was well worth it.
> 
> http://www.gastankrenu.com
> 
> BTW, I'm very familiar with the exploding tank story in Austin.  I wasn't personally involved, but I know who was;)  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chance Dorsey
> Austin, TX
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 10:49 PM, Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a few issues with my fuel tank:
>> 
>> http://pantera1998.blogspot.com/2013/12/first-look-in-gas-tank.html
>> 
>> Notice the holes in the step and there's a pinhole at the bottom.  The sender looks and works good.  
>> 
>> Can the holes be brazed up?   Thoughts?
>> 
>> Corey
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 00:49:44 -0500 (EST)
> From: Leonejay at aol.com
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] new porterfield pads
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> I have some new proterfield pads . These are in the factory box. I am  
> selling because i am using 4 piston brakes.    $110.00 Jay  4154613372
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 22:46:14 -0800
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] new porterfield pads
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 08:00:40 -0500
> From: "Sam" <shbailey at att.net>
> To: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>,	"'Detomaso Forum'"
> 	<detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing Videos From SPA 2011
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> You are correct that they used a 340 in the production T/A series. I thought about that also. It cornered really well to have an Elephant motor in it. It could have been an aluminum motor, there are a few around. From the video it pulled like a Hemi though and that is what reminded me of my previous car. I have not finished my A990 Cross Ram yet. When (if I do before I die) I shall again remember the fight to pull the shifts quick enough to not hit the rev limiter. The Hemi got a bad rap in beginning because most people didn?t know how to deal with setting up two carbs. The engine would also carbon up easily. We took a bone stock 1967 Hemi to the strip once and had to do several runs to get it cleaned up. Dropped almost a full second on the 1/4 mile time. Then we put in new plugs for the trophy run.  Add a strong cam, headers, 3? exhausts and a stiff rear gear and it was hell on wheels and what a sound. Nothing looks like a Hemi in the engine bay, nothing. Kind of like the early upswept Pantera exhaust look from the back.
> 
> From: Mike Thomas 
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 12:21 PM
> To: 'Sam' ; 'Detomaso Forum' 
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Amazing Videos From SPA 2011
> 
> I would be surprised if that was actually a Hemi ?Cuda as the 340 (I believe) was the basis for the engine used in Trans Am and similar racing.  The Hemi would be monster heavy on a road course.  I saw the Hemi ?Cuda label as well, and wondered . . . 
> 
> Mike Thomas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Sam
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 6:03 AM
> To: Detomaso Forum
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing Videos From SPA 2011
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> 
> 
> I was surprised to see a HemiCuda there. Was even more surprised with the in car video and sound. Made me miss my Hemi Challenger.
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 08:01:42 -0800 (PST)
> From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
> To: "Leonejay at aol.com" <Leonejay at aol.com>,	"detomaso at poca.com"
> 	<detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] new porterfield pads
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> you talking about these?
> 
> http://www.lpiracing.com/Porterfield-R4-S-Carbon-Kevlar-Perf-Street-Pad-AP-63-R4-S-762p196229.htm
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:51 PM, "Leonejay at aol.com" <Leonejay at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> I have some new proterfield pads . These are in the factory box. I am 
> selling because i am using 4 piston brakes.??? $110.00 Jay 
> 4154613372
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> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 10:32:15 -0600
> From: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
> Cc: POCA list <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing Videos From SPA 2011 - Turbine Car?
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>> With the time it take a turbine to spin up, how do/did they compensate for that in a race car that needs instant acceleration?
> 
> Ray Heppenstall's solution to the turbine spool up time for the Howmett
> was to simply put a wastegate between the gas-generator and the power
> turbines.  "The first third of throttle pedal movement controlled fuel
> supply to the combustion chambers, and thus the speed of the engine.
> But once spinning at its maximum 57,500 rpm and delivering full power,
> the final two-thirds throttle movement activated the wastegate, thus
> controlling the amount of gas directed to the power turbine, and hence
> the rear wheels."  I forget if it was Pratt or GE, but one of them did
> something similar for the McDonnel/Northrop NATF prototype engine to
> improve carrier suitability.  They kept the turbine spooled up but
> spoiled the thrust by the use of variable rotors/stators and also opening
> up the nozzle throat area.
> 
>> What sort of a transmission/power conversion system did they use?
> 
> Single speed transmission with an electric motor for reverse.
> 
> Dan Jones
> 
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
>> With the time it take a turbine to spin up, how do/did they compensate for
>> that in a race car that needs instant acceleration?  What sort of a
>> transmission/power conversion system did they use?
>> 
>> Mike T.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 5:01 PM
>> To: Mike Thomas
>> Cc: <DtomasoCat at aol.com>; <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing Videos From SPA 2011 - Turbine Car?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At Le Mans Classic I stood right next to ithe Howmet while mechanics started
>> it up with the rear end up on jack stands, then ran it at full throttle.
>> Watching the rear wheels spinning at 200 mph with people all around was
>> amazing. If it had fallen off the jack stands the result would have been
>> carnage! It sure sounded great though!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 16:26, "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Great video.  What does anyone know about the car that appears to be turbine
>> powered.  It?s white car, coupe, has three huge exhaust stacks coming out
>> the back, two very large intakes on the roof, and shrill whistle sound to
>> it.  I didn?t realize they had run turbine prototypes at Le Mans, etc., but
>> it makes sense as that was the same period that the turbine cars ran at Indy
>> (late ?60?s).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Mike Thomas
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>> DtomasoCat at aol.com
>> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:01 AM
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing Videos From SPA 2011
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I just happened across this video taken at SPA in 2011.  Not much Pantera
>> action (for some reason) but the sights and sounds are really something that
>> I knew you would all enjoy.  There are many more videos shown from the
>> company called MPZ which show in car footage of the race cars.  Haven't seen
>> them all but plan on it!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N-HaHgkcu4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
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