[DeTomaso] 2014 calender

John Taphorn jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
Sun Dec 22 17:38:27 EST 2013


Yes

Space City Panteras has an 18 month calendar starting 12/13.  It is 
available for $10 plus shipping

JT
On 12/22/2013 11:18 AM, clarkewilma wrote:
> Does anybody know if the is a Pantera calendar out this year?
> Clarke 7350
>
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>     1. Re: Electric Choke, yes or no? (Janne M?ki-Pet?j?)
>     2. What are the odds.... (Mike Drew)
>     3. Re: What are the odds.... (Janne M?ki-Pet?j?)
>     4. Re: What are the odds.... (Christopher Kimball)
>     5. Re: What are the odds.... (Bjoern Flesland)
>     6. Re: What are the odds.... (Julian Kift)
>     7. Re: What are the odds.... (Bill Moore)
>     8. Re: What are the odds.... (Mike Becker)
>     9. Rear deck lid hinge (jeepinfool2001 at aol.com)
>    10. Re: Rear deck lid hinge (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>    11. Re: What are the odds.... (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>    12. Re: What are the odds.... (steven.liebenow at att.net)
>    13. Re: What are the odds.... (Mike Thomas)
>    14. Re: What are the odds.... (John Taphorn)
>    15. Re: Electric Choke, yes or no? (Will Kooiman)
>    16. Re: What are the odds.... (Bill Lewis)
>    17. NPC:  Christmas dog.... (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>    18. Rear deck lid hinge (rfmccall at comcast.net)
>    19. Rear deck lid hinge (rfmccall at comcast.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 22:00:19 +0200
> From: Janne M?ki-Pet?j? <eb0711 at kolumbus.fi>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electric Choke, yes or no?
> Message-ID: <52B4A1D3.4 at kolumbus.fi>
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>
> Although it's not often seen, it's entirely possible to use metal choke tube
> connected to manifold heat source, with electric choke as well.
> That'll give a heat source to the coil always when the engine is warm, and
> choke will still go off electrically little faster when it's cold.
>
> Janne
>
> 19.12.2013 22.09, Mikael kirjoitti:
>> A word about electric chokes, I know this is not what was asked, but
>> that won't stop me...
>>
>> On my Longchamp, semi-mild daily driver, yes definitely an electric choke.
>>
>> But on a Pantera, especially a fast one, I wouldn't want one. I would
>> rather rev it a bit with the throttle for the first minutes. The main
>> problem with an electric choke (connected to proper 12V) is that if
>> you leave the car parked for an hour and get back and start it, the
>> choke will be fully on and take a little while to go off, and the
>> engine doesn't need it. That means too rich mixture for a while, which
>> washes oil off the cylinder walls. And if you have a high performance
>> engine with narrow tuning tolerances and colder plugs, maybe even race
>> plugs, the plugs can foul up due to this choke action. If you then do
>> the wrong thing, look at your plugs and conclude that you need more
>> lean jetting, then it really starts to get dangerous. In short, high
>> performance engines shouldn't have an electric choke, it should have
>> manual cable operated choke (difficult in a Pantera) or no choke at
>> all. Divorced chokes are a bit better than electric chokes, but rarely
> seen these days.
>> (And on a totally unscientific note: The sound of the engine when
>> almost warm, idling just above the rpm where it would die, that sound
>> is fantastic)
>>
>>
>> Just my $0.02
>>
>> Mvh/Regards
>> Mikael
>>
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: John Buckman [mailto:jb841 at cox.net]
>> Sendt: 19. december 2013 19:17
>> Til: detomaso at poca.com
>> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] Electric Choke
>>
>> Why are we running a new wire?  I just used the wire that is in the
>> OEM loom.  It still works great.  Look at your wiring diagram.
>>
>>
>>>>> The short answer is that connecting the electric choke to the
>>>>> existing
>> ignition wire can act as a rev limiter for your ignition system.
>>
>> If you do not use a relay, and if you are not using the factory
>> throttler position solenoid, there will be a red wire at the
>> (approximate) center of the firewall that can be extended to the new
>> electric choke's PLUS (+) terminal.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:08:58 -0800
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Cc: mangusta at mangustainternational.com, Roger Brotton
> 	<rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com>,	"<mangusta1 at comcast.net>"
> 	<mangusta1 at comcast.net>,	Fred <fred at focusauto.com>,
> 	steven.liebenow at att.net
> Subject: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
> Message-ID: <53BCB90B-E03F-4B8A-B0D6-49D695F1EBF1 at aol.com>
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> ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight, and
> find this sitting in front of you!
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 00:12:03 +0200
> From: Janne M?ki-Pet?j? <eb0711 at kolumbus.fi>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
> Message-ID: <52B4C0B3.1080000 at kolumbus.fi>
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> Pretty close to zero...
> -Janne
>
> 21.12.2013 0.08, Mike Drew kirjoitti:
>> ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight,
> and find this sitting in front of you!
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:14:28 -0800
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>, Pantera list serve
> 	<detomaso at poca.com>
> Cc: Roger Brotton <rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com>,
> 	"mangusta at mangustainternational.com"
> 	<mangusta at mangustainternational.com>,	Fred <fred at focusauto.com>,
> 	"mangusta1 at comcast.net" <mangusta1 at comcast.net>,
> 	"steven.liebenow at att.net" <steven.liebenow at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
> Message-ID: <SNT146-W60F19B0F816F14CD5A7F6BCC40 at phx.gbl>
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> The pickup-truck owner responded to the ad, "Cool sports car for sale.
> Needs work.  Would make a great Christmas gift."  :) Merry Christmas
> everyone!
> Sincerely,
> Chris
>
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:08:58 -0800
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> CC: mangusta at mangustainternational.com; rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com;
> mangusta1 at comcast.net; fred at focusauto.com; steven.liebenow at att.net
> Subject: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
>
> ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight, and
> find this sitting in front of you!
>   
>
> Mike
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 23:13:59 +0100
> From: Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
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> Cool....If you are in Cali the odds are much bigger than elsewhere, IMO...
> Cheers Bjoern
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>> ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight,
> and find this sitting in front of you!
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:37:23 -0800
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <mikeldrew at aol.com>, De Tomaso List
> 	<detomaso at poca.com>
> Cc: Roger Brotton <rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com>,
> 	"mangusta at mangustainternational.com"
> 	<mangusta at mangustainternational.com>,	Fred <fred at focusauto.com>,
> 	"mangusta1 at comcast.net" <mangusta1 at comcast.net>,
> 	"steven.liebenow at att.net" <steven.liebenow at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
> Message-ID: <BAY173-W468B1E9128434904B767F095C40 at phx.gbl>
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> Well if you explore the odds, they would nominally be about 1 in 401 on a
> simple math basis I guess.
>   
> Actually having that sit in front of you maybe one thing, but are you
> telling us you didn't jump out and almost accost the driver to find out
> more?
>   
> Julian
>   
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:08:58 -0800
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> CC: mangusta at mangustainternational.com; rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com;
> mangusta1 at comcast.net; fred at focusauto.com; steven.liebenow at att.net
> Subject: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
>
> ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight, and
> find this sitting in front of you!
>   
>
> Mike
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:43:05 -0700
> From: "Bill Moore" <bill at incendium.com>
> To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,	<detomaso at poca.com>
> Cc: 'Roger Brotton' <rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com>,
> 	mangusta at mangustainternational.com, 'Fred' <fred at focusauto.com>,
> 	mangusta1 at comcast.net, steven.liebenow at att.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
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> Comeonmike, did you get the s/n ????
>
>
> Cheers:
>
> Please use my bill at incendium.com email address in all messages.
>
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply Ltd.
> Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
> Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
> 403.202.0055
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike Drew
> Sent: December-20-13 3:09 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Cc: mangusta at mangustainternational.com; Roger Brotton;
> <mangusta1 at comcast.net>; Fred; steven.liebenow at att.net
> Subject: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
>
> ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight, and
> find this sitting in front of you!
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:57:51 -0800
> From: Mike Becker <mikebecker at cox.net>
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, detomaso at poca.com
> Cc: Roger Brotton <rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com>,
> 	mangusta at mangustainternational.com,	Fred <fred at focusauto.com>,
> 	"<mangusta1 at comcast.net>" <mangusta1 at comcast.net>,
> 	steven.liebenow at att.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
> Message-ID: <roccy8xosc88jxl2x17sb8qs.1387579011250 at email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> That is pretty unusual, a trailer with two functioning brake lights.
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Date:12/20/2013  14:08  (GMT-08:00)
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Cc: mangusta at mangustainternational.com,Roger Brotton
> <rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com>,"<mangusta1 at comcast.net>"
> <mangusta1 at comcast.net>,Fred <fred at focusauto.com>,steven.liebenow at att.net
> Subject: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
>
> ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight, and
> find this sitting in front of you!
>
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 17:59:53 -0500 (EST)
> From: jeepinfool2001 at aol.com
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear deck lid hinge
> Message-ID: <8D0CBEE53F7A80B-F04-30A9E at webmail-d228.sysops.aol.com>
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> I'm in need of a drivers side rear deck lid hinge assembly for a early 71
> Pantera. If anyone has a line on one please let me know.
>
> Thanks
> Mark Mensen
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:32:40 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: jeepinfool2001 at aol.com, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear deck lid hinge
> Message-ID: <b94f4.738a2777.3fe62d98 at aol.com>
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>
> In a message dated 12/20/13 15 00 58, jeepinfool2001 at aol.com writes:
>
>
>> I'm in need of a drivers side rear deck lid hinge assembly for a early
>> 71 Pantera. If anyone has a line on one please let me know.
>>
>>>> Wilkinson lists them for only $23.78 on his website, with an
>>>> additional
> $16.27 for the pin.   Not bad!
>
> Let us know if those prices aren't correct?
>
> I actually have a pair of hinges available, but they come with a perfect
> decklid attached, for rather more than that!
>
> Mike
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:33:32 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com, detomaso at poca.com
> Cc: rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com, mangusta at mangustainternational.com,
> 	fred at focusauto.com, mangusta1 at comcast.net, steven.liebenow at att.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
> Message-ID: <b94f7.25c6f272.3fe62dcc at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
> In a message dated 12/20/13 14 37 25, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:
>
>
>> Well if you explore the odds, they would nominally be about 1 in 401
>> on a simple math basis?I guess.
>> ?
>> Actually having that sit in front of you maybe one thing, but are you
>> telling us you didn't jump out and?almost accost the driver to find out
> more?
>>>> Nah, didn't need to.   It's Steve Klunk.   He's not a club member, but
> he has hosted PCNC when we visited his house (and several other non-club
> members) on the Concours de la Garage tour in 2007:
>
>
>
>
> He bought this Mangusta as a non-running project and it has been sitting in
> his garage, not being restored, for more than 20 years, but he finally
> started working on it in earnest awhile ago.
>
> Today, he was hauling it away from the industrial park at Sears Point
> Raceway, so presumably some mechanical or paint/body work had been completed
>
> there.   We just caught him at the light and he turned right, we were unable
> to
> follow due to oncoming traffic, and he was on the highway and gone....
>
> Mike
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:38:58 -0800 (PST)
> From: steven.liebenow at att.net
> To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,	"julian_kift at hotmail.com"
> 	<julian_kift at hotmail.com>,	"detomaso at poca.com"
> <detomaso at poca.com>
> Cc: "rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com" <rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com>,
> 	"mangusta at mangustainternational.com"
> 	<mangusta at mangustainternational.com>,	"fred at focusauto.com"
> 	<fred at focusauto.com>,	"mangusta1 at comcast.net"
> <mangusta1 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
> Message-ID:
> 	<1387582738.74064.YahooMailNeo at web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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> Hopefully it wasn't the same shop that chopped up Gali's sway bar mounts
> when they were working on it.....or perhaps it was Steve's car......doh!!!
>
> S
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>   From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Cc: mangusta at mangustainternational.com; rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com;
> mangusta1 at comcast.net; fred at focusauto.com; steven.liebenow at att.net
> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
>   
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/20/13 14 37 25, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:
>
>
>
> Well if you explore the odds, they would nominally be about 1 in 401 on a
> simple math basis?I guess.
>> ?
>> Actually having that sit in front of you maybe one thing, but are you
> telling us you didn't jump out and?almost accost the driver to find out
> more?
>>>> Nah, didn't need to.?  It's Steve Klunk.?  He's not a club member, but he
> has hosted PCNC when we visited his house (and several other non-club
> members) on the Concours de la Garage tour in 2007:
>
>
>
>
> He bought this Mangusta as a non-running project and it has been sitting in
> his garage, not being restored, for more than 20 years, but he finally
> started working on it in earnest awhile ago.?
>
> Today, he was hauling it away from the industrial park at Sears Point
> Raceway, so presumably some mechanical or paint/body work had been completed
> there.?  We just caught him at the light and he turned right, we were unable
> to follow due to oncoming traffic, and he was on the highway and gone....
>
> Mike
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:40:29 -0800
> From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,	<detomaso at poca.com>
> Cc: 'Roger Brotton' <rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com>,
> 	mangusta at mangustainternational.com, 'Fred' <fred at focusauto.com>,
> 	mangusta1 at comcast.net, steven.liebenow at att.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
> Message-ID: <029001cefddc$de4158a0$9ac409e0$@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
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> I hope you followed him and found out more about it . . .
> Nice project.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike Drew
> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 2:09 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Cc: mangusta at mangustainternational.com; Roger Brotton;
> <mangusta1 at comcast.net>; Fred; steven.liebenow at att.net
> Subject: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
>
> ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight, and
> find this sitting in front of you!
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:51:33 -0600
> From: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, detomaso at poca.com
> Cc: Roger Brotton <rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com>,
> 	mangusta at mangustainternational.com,	Fred <fred at focusauto.com>,
> 	"<mangusta1 at comcast.net>" <mangusta1 at comcast.net>,
> 	steven.liebenow at att.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
> Message-ID: <52B4E615.2020704 at kingwoodcable.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>
> That's crazy. I can't believe that you didn't follow it to it's
> destination or pull the driver over.  It was Mike Drew who posted this
> pic, I believe.
>
>
> On 12/20/2013 4:08 PM, Mike Drew wrote:
>> ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight,
> and find this sitting in front of you!
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 21:20:48 -0500
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Janne M?ki-Pet?j? <eb0711 at kolumbus.fi>,	<detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electric Choke, yes or no?
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> If I remember correctly, the factory chokes drew air either from the
> exhaust manifolds or from under the intake, through the choke housing, and
> then through a vacuum port - in order to suck the air.
>
> I don't know if the electric chokes can do both.  It might be one or the
> other.
>
> --
> Will
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/20/13 3:00 PM, "Janne M?ki-Pet?j?" <eb0711 at kolumbus.fi> wrote:
>
>> Although it's not often seen, it's entirely possible to use metal choke
>> tube connected to manifold heat source, with electric choke as well.
>> That'll give a heat source to the coil always when the engine is warm,
>> and choke will still go off electrically little faster when it's cold.
>>
>> Janne
>>
>> 19.12.2013 22.09, Mikael kirjoitti:
>>> A word about electric chokes, I know this is not what was asked, but
>>> that
>>> won't stop me...
>>>
>>> On my Longchamp, semi-mild daily driver, yes definitely an electric
>>> choke.
>>>
>>> But on a Pantera, especially a fast one, I wouldn't want one. I would
>>> rather
>>> rev it a bit with the throttle for the first minutes. The main problem
>>> with
>>> an electric choke (connected to proper 12V) is that if you leave the car
>>> parked for an hour and get back and start it, the choke will be fully
>>> on and
>>> take a little while to go off, and the engine doesn't need it. That
>>> means
>>> too rich mixture for a while, which washes oil off the cylinder walls.
>>> And
>>> if you have a high performance engine with narrow tuning tolerances and
>>> colder plugs, maybe even race plugs, the plugs can foul up due to this
>>> choke
>>> action. If you then do the wrong thing, look at your plugs and conclude
>>> that
>>> you need more lean jetting, then it really starts to get dangerous. In
>>> short, high performance engines shouldn't have an electric choke, it
>>> should
>>> have manual cable operated choke (difficult in a Pantera) or no choke at
>>> all. Divorced chokes are a bit better than electric chokes, but rarely
>>> seen
>>> these days.
>>> (And on a totally unscientific note: The sound of the engine when almost
>>> warm, idling just above the rpm where it would die, that sound is
>>> fantastic)
>>>
>>>
>>> Just my $0.02
>>>
>>> Mvh/Regards
>>> Mikael
>>>
>>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>> Fra: John Buckman [mailto:jb841 at cox.net]
>>> Sendt: 19. december 2013 19:17
>>> Til: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] Electric Choke
>>>
>>> Why are we running a new wire?  I just used the wire that is in the OEM
>>> loom.  It still works great.  Look at your wiring diagram.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The short answer is that connecting the electric choke to the
>>>>>> existing
>>> ignition wire can act as a rev limiter for your ignition system.
>>>
>>> If you do not use a relay, and if you are not using the factory
>>> throttler
>>> position solenoid, there will be a red wire at the (approximate) center
>>> of
>>> the firewall that can be extended to the new electric choke's PLUS (+)
>>> terminal.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 02:24:05 +0000
> From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> To: PANTERA-MikeDrew <mikeldrew at aol.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
> 	<detomaso at poca.com>
> Cc: Roger Brotton <rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com>,
> 	"mangusta at mangustainternational.com"
> 	<mangusta at mangustainternational.com>,	Fred <fred at focusauto.com>,
> 	"mangusta1 at comcast.net" <mangusta1 at comcast.net>,
> 	"steven.liebenow at att.net" <steven.liebenow at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
> Message-ID: <BAY173-W47CF6ACF3684508B2B6AA8BBC70 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Mike, I haven't read all the threads, so WHAT did you do?  What were you
> driving (VW)?   ---BILL L
>
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:08:58 -0800
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> CC: mangusta at mangustainternational.com; rogerkbrotton at yahoo.com;
> mangusta1 at comcast.net; fred at focusauto.com; steven.liebenow at att.net
> Subject: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....
>
> ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight, and
> find this sitting in front of you!
>   
>
> Mike
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 22:52:39 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: detomaso at POCA.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC:  Christmas dog....
> Message-ID: <43794.5a2859e0.3fe66a87 at aol.com>
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> Hi guys,
>
> Anybody who has ever had a dog will certainly recognize this look! :>)
>
> Mike
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:23:18 +0000 (UTC)
> From: rfmccall at comcast.net
> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear deck lid hinge
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> Mark,
>
>
>
> I have lots of that kind of stuff.
>
> I will email you .
>
> Ron McCall
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:25:05 +0000 (UTC)
> From: rfmccall at comcast.net
> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear deck lid hinge
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> Mark,
>
>
>
> I have lots of that sort of stuff. I will email you .
>
> Ron McCall
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