[DeTomaso] F1 Experience

[michael at michaelshortt.com]

So many...most recently I w as offered a chance to drive an Audi TT sport
model "S3"?

It was embarrassing, couldn't come close to getting in.

Michael
On Dec 12, 2013 8:14 AM, "Kirby Schrader" <kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:

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> They were other cars... Not ones he drove, but from all the pictures, the
> bubble on the GT40s is always pretty much mounted in the same place on the
> door.
> Just eyeballing it, of course....
>
> Like I said... lots of assumptions! :-)
>
> Years ago, a friend offered to let me drive his 308. I couldn't even get
> into the damned thing, let alone drive it.
> The same was true of an early Esprit Turbo...
> In both cars, the seat was all the way back, but my knees were literally
> pushing on the dash and I couldn't push the pedals.
>
> Kirby
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> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
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>>  You’re assumption is right. I’m 6’3” and built like you with long legs.
>> Dan Gurney  is at least as tall as me but with shorter legs and a longer
>> torso, but not short enough to not need to be as far back in a GT40 as
>> possible. Were the cars you sat in cars he actually drove? Or were the
>> bubbles for someone else?
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>> Gray
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>> *From:* Kirby Schrader [mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2013 7:37 AM
>> *To:* michael at michaelshortt.com
>> *Cc:* Jack Donahue; Panteras; Gray Gregory
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
>>
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>>
>> Wandering off into the weeds slightly here...
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>> I've never met Dan nor have I even seen him in person, but if I make a
>> lot of assumptions (probably a dumb thing to do), he must be of the long
>> torso, short legs make up.
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>> Every GT40 (original and SPF) I've sat in with a Gurney bubble always had
>> the bubble too far forward for my head to fit 'in it'.
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>> I'm the opposite.. 6' 2", 215lbs (yes, I need to lose some weight!) but
>> with long legs and a short torso.
>>
>> Hence, I have no Gurney bubble in my car. Instead, I have next to no
>> padding in my seat behind my back so that I can get back as far as possible
>> to get my legs in the car. Oh, and I don't like the looks of the bubble
>> either. Kinda' detracts from the lines of the car, but that's just my
>> opinion.
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>> Dunno why... just thought I'd say that... back to our originally
>> scheduled programming.
>>
>> But yeah, in general, losing weight is a 'good idea'. You are healthier
>> and the car goes faster!
>>
>> :-)
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>>
>> Kirby
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>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:40 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
>> michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
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>> Dan Gurney was 6'3" tall and about 210 lbs.
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>> On Dec 10, 2013 10:32 PM, "Jack Donahue" <demongusta at me.com> wrote:
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>> The GT40 that Gurney drove had a bubble in the roof so he could fit into
>> it.
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>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Gray Gregory wrote:
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>> *From:* Gray Gregory
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:27 PM
>> *To:* 'michael at michaelshortt.com'
>> *Subject:* RE: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
>>
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>>
>> All the old time drivers I’ve met (except Dan Gurney and A.J. Foyt) have
>> been pretty small so I think they would probably fit fine. I’ve also tried
>> to get into a lot of old F1 cars and I haven’t found one yet I can fit into
>> very well, so the cars weren’t very big either. :>)
>>
>>
>>
>> As for the power steering, yes the modern cars do but they also make a
>> lot more down force and have much more grip, so “man handling” one through
>> a fast sweeper is still probably pretty much the same or maybe even harder
>> today…
>>
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>>
>> Gray
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>> *From:* DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:30 PM
>> *To:* LS
>>
>> *Cc:* detomaso at poca.com; jderyke at aol.com; pantera at austin.rr.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
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>>
>>
>> Most certainly do not have the balls the way they whine, in the glory
>> years of F1, there was 10% chance you would die
>>
>> during a race, Thank goodness Jackie Stewart and others implements safety
>> measures that have evolved to the
>>
>> current streak of deathless seasons ( Since Senna)
>>
>> Modern F1 cars have power steering ( for a car that weighs 1,600ish lbs )
>> in a time limited race with a shorter courses.
>>
>> I'd bet that none of the  50's,60 era drivers that could manhandle those
>> cars could fit in a modern car.
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>>
>> Michael
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>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:10 PM, LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> It is difficult to compare regular people like us with professionals.
>>
>> New drivers are world class athletes. NASCAR drivers are sometimes world
>> class athletes with baby bumps.
>>
>> Do the new, super fit and strong drivers have the skill and style to
>> drive the old cars?
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>> Some do, some don't...
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>> LS
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>> *From:* "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
>> *To:* mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* "jderyke at aol.com" <jderyke at aol.com>; "lashdeep at yahoo.com" <
>> lashdeep at yahoo.com>; "pantera at austin.rr.com" <pantera at austin.rr.com>; "
>> detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2013 8:48 PM
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>> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
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>> The modern F1 driver is about 5'5" - 5'9" and 135 - 160 lbs.
>>
>> Weber was the last tall one and if you remember, Kubica looked almost
>> dead when he went from 165 to 150 by team orders.
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>> The old guard would never be able to get into the these new  cars and I
>> doubt the new drivers would have the strength to manhandle the older cars.
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>> Michael
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>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 7:04 PM, mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> There are track day events at most of the NASCAR tracks. Go take your
>>
>> Pantera out for a ride. You will be even more impressed as to what it can
>> do. I love the Daytona road course.
>>
>> Mark
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>> On Monday, December 9, 2013 6:15 PM, "jderyke at aol.com" <jderyke at aol.com>
>> wrote:
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>> Hi Richard. When a couple of hundred POCA members visited the Minardi
>> factory during the DeTomaso Factory Tour in '96, only little skinny drivers
>> could fit in their display car- all women. Things must have changed....
>> Wish I'd been there, but at 6"2 and 190 lbs I have no illusions I'd fit
>> today, either!  Cheers to you in S. TX- J Deryke
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>> To: Richard Greenblum <pantera at austin.rr.com>; deTomaso Forum <
>> detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 2:42 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
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>> Sounds amazing...any pics or video?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> LS
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>> *From:* Richard Greenblum <pantera at austin.rr.com>
>> *To:* deTomaso Forum <detomaso at poca.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2013 4:30 PM
>> *Subject:* [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
>>
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>>
>> All,
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>>
>> I was very surprised that no one from Houston, or anywhere else in Texas,
>> was signed up to ride in the F1 cars on Friday at COTA (the Austin F1
>> track).  Of if you were, I just didn't recognize you.
>>
>>
>>
>> We weren't sure it would even go in the weather, but I was in the
>> afternoon session which was dry, and we rode on slicks.  The morning was
>> wet, but they still ran the cars, only on full wets.
>>
>>
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>> I can't tell you how incredible the experience was.  I strongly recommend
>> signing up.  I understand they're coming back to COTA tentatively on 22
>> March and 20 October.  I originally thought it was a bit expensive—I don't
>> anymore.  It was worth every penny.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Austin, TX
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>> #7080
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