[DeTomaso] A brilliant idea from the National Motorist's Ass'n

Tue Aug 20 19:34:24 EDT 2013

It is commonly known that authorities set the amber light duration shorter than the mandated minumum (which is a factor of the speed limit at the intersection) to specifically catch more offenders and generate revenue. 

IIRC there was a study (in Australia) that showed accident statistics went up at red light camera monitored intersections and fixed instantaneous speed cameras as people braked hard for the camera. The UK and other European countries have moved away from instantaneous speed cameras to average speed cameras i.e. two cameas over say a mile or more distance to prevent people just slowing down for know camera locations, which are often identified on GPS units or phones these days.

Julian

> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:22:38 -0700
> From: lashdeep at yahoo.com
> To: boyd411 at gmail.com
> CC: MikeLDrew at aol.com; norcal-saac at norcal-saac.org; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A brilliant idea from the National Motorist's Ass'n
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> Boyd, speed cameras are typically blatant revenue generators.
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> You're correct, red light cameras would not be protected against. 
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> The only way you get one of those is if the front of your car hasn't even entered the intersection when the light turns red.
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> If you are getting enough of these to warrant looking for a solution, you may not be alive long enough to implement it!!
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> From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com> 
> Cc: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>; "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>; "norcal-saac at norcal-saac.org" <norcal-saac at norcal-saac.org> 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A brilliant idea from the National Motorist's Ass'n
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> A radar detector is fine but it does nothing to protect one from the dreaded "red light cameras" which I believe ( although I have no evidence to support this  belief) are more of a problem as far as automated camera generated tickets go.
> Boyd
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> On Tuesday, August 20, 2013, LS wrote:
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> I like this thread and the idea contained.
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> >I'm just wondering though...why not buy a good radar detector? It will protect from speed cameras as well as any other type of speed related monitoring.
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> >Despite the quote about the Maryland law, the state is quite lenient with regards to cars in general but especially vintage cars. Almost like the wild west where you can title and register just about anything and the police are generally very relaxed with regards to enforcement. It is a good state to be a car enthusiast.
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> >________________________________
> > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> >To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> 
> >Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>; "norcal-saac at norcal-saac.org" <norcal-saac at norcal-saac.org> 
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:32 PM
> >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A brilliant idea from the National Motorist's Ass'n
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> >They question you have to ask yourself is 1. Are you willing to break the
> >law to fight something that you think is blatantly unfair ( red light
> >tickets ticket the owner who is not neccesarily the driver ) when the car
> >he owns triggers a red light camera violation. Ther have been several
> >Legislators who have challenged these laws and have provided some proof
> >that they are not accurate .
> >2. What is worse ( ie. a more serious violation a.having a cover on your
> >license plate or b. getting a red light camera ticket ?) Currently as far
> >as I know a red light camera ticket is not a moving violation because they
> >can't prove who is driving the car. If a device that makes a license plate
> >unreadable is a
> moving violation or a criminal offence then it may not be
> >worth the risk. For those of you who answered ( hopefully to themselves)
> >that they are not willing to break the law , remember that next time you
> >have the Pantera out and the speedo  needle is nudging past the 75 mph mark!
> >Another point woth investigating , the author implied that it was neccesary
> >to view the license plate from an extreme obtuse angle ( on top of a camera
> >pole). So under normal circumstances the obscuring effect should not be
> >noticeable at all from the normal position a law officer might be viewing
> >ones license plate from.
> >From mu expierience and understanding of the law it is illegal to have any
> >kind of cover on a license plate. I would be interested in experimenting
> >with the glass used in some upscale restaurant's bathroom doors that are
> >translucent and with the flip of a switch the glass becomes opaque!That's
> >real James Bond
> stuff!
> >Boyd
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> >P.S.
> >Will , does that mean it's illegal to put a license plate on your car in
> >Missisippi? " If a human can't read it it's illegal" ( Missisippi has one
> >of the highest illiteracy rates in the country) LOL
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> >On Tuesday, August 20, 2013, Will Kooiman wrote:
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> >> If a human can read it, a camera can too.
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> >> If a human can't read it, it's illegal.
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> >> If it is obstructed such that it can only be read from certain angles, it
> >> is still obstructed and illegal.
> >> --
> >> Will
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> >> On 8/20/13 2:04 PM, "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
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> >> >Hi guys,
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> >> >Copied and pasted from the NMA's newsletter....
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> >> >Mike
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> >> >====
> >> >
> >> >The Internet is full of websites that sell covers and sprays claiming to
> >> >obscure your license plates from those pesky ticket cameras. We¹ve been
> >> >reluctant to endorse such products since they reportedly don¹t work very
> >> >well, and
> >> >they may result in drivers running afoul of the law. (More on that below.)
> >> >
> >> >But, when we got the following letter from a lifetime NMA member in South
> >> >Carolina (we¹ll call him Al) describing his DIY license plate privacy
> >> >filter,
> >> >we were impressed with his ingenuity and thought other NMA members would
> >> >be
> >> >interested. Al¹s solution, described below, relies on readily available
> >> >privacy filter material used to obscure computer monitors when viewed
> >> >from an
> >> >angle:
> >> >
> >> >Reading about 3M computer privacy
> filter material, I found a merchant
> >> >online offering the size for my iMac desktop. I chose that option because
> >> >it
> >> >could be cut into multiple license plate covers. For reference, I ordered
> >> >the
> >> >21.6 inch width. Click here for more information. It comes in gold or
> >> >smoke. I
> >> >chose smoke and installed the non-reflective side out.
> >> >
> >> >Other parts required are a frame and clear, plastic cover available at
> >> >Advance Auto. As intended for computer screen privacy, the filter goes
> >> >opaque as
> >> >the eye is moved side-to-side from center viewing. For license plate
> >> >application (and getting maximum coverage from a single sheet of
> >> >material), I
> >> >marked and cut two plate covers vertically from the sheet. I probably had
> >> >enough
> >> >left over to make another two from this sheet.
> >>
> >
> >> >Rotating the screening operation from horizontal to vertical obscures the
> >> >plate when viewed from above‹perfect for any pole or high-mounted camera.
> >> >The
> >> >material is quite sturdy, so I used my hole-punch set and chose the 1/2"
> >> >tool to cut four holes for the Advance cover...perfect fit! Remembering
> >> >to
> >> >install the matt side out, I was very plea_______________________________________________
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