[DeTomaso] Outside rubber on windowframe

[Mikael]

Just went out to the garage. Longchamp rubber, lip facing out, fits
perfectly, seals all the way except at the 90+ degree corner. Pantera old
rubber is like on Mike's picture, except that the vertical part on both
doors have been forced to break the other way, so they're more out than in
when the door is closed. Finally I looked at the new rubber from Wilkinson,
it has a small "dam" that stops the lip from going all the way flat down. 

 

To me, all three things tell me that

1.    the lip must be facing outward on any newly installed rubber. If I get
wet feet, I'll let you know

2.    if rubber is old and lip forced down by years of being squeezed flat,
they shouldn't be switched to an lip-out position. If leaking, buy new and
see 1

 

Any views?

 

Mikael

 

Fra: Mikael [mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk] 
Sendt: 1. april 2013 17:51
Til: 'MikeLDrew at aol.com'; 'detomaso at poca.com'
Emne: SV: [DeTomaso] Outside rubber on windowframe

 

Hhmm, interesting, this means we have to open the lip-in or lip-out debate
again J. Logically (to me) they should be lip-out because then closing the
door works "with" the lip, not "against" it. My Longchamp with lip out
hasn't had an owner before that took care of details I think, I had to fix
100 small things, so I can't imagine somebody switching the rubber between
doors. And the Longchamp sees all kinds of rain most of the year, not a drop
has entered.

 

Of course, since the frame the door closes into is slightly funnel-like if
that's the word, becomes narrower the more the door closes, a lip facing
inwards will touch in an area that's slightly narrower, and may then seal.
But the same rubber in the (by my thinking) right position, lip out, may no
longer be able to reach the frame. Maybe that's why your leaks stopped when
you switched?

 

I would guess that new rubber in a perfectly aligned door will seal with lip
out, and since the lip is not forced flat by being further in, where frame
is narrower, it will continue to seal.

 

1.    Does the above make sense to anybody but me?

2.    Don't we have any factory instructions?

 

J

Mikael

Fra: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] 
Sendt: 1. april 2013 17:33
Til: mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk; detomaso at poca.com
Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] Outside rubber on windowframe

 


In a message dated 4/1/13 8 15 13, mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk writes:




I'm talking about rubber that doesn't touch glass, it seals the upper crome
part of the doors to the frame when door closes



>>>Ah, I see!

It just slides into the channel.  Mine were installed backwards for years,
before I got help here (Chuck Engles sent me some great photos) and I just
slid mine out and flipped them side-to-side.

The open part of the rubber faces inwards, so that any water that might
touch runs along the top and gets routed towards the outside.  Before, I
used to get water drips when driving in the rain.  But I drove home from
Laguna Seca on Sunday and spent almost three hours in the rain, and nary a
drop from the doors.  (The windshield is another story!  Grrrr....)

I just ran to the garage and shot a not-especially-good photo:

http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=39201

Even though there is a 90-degree bend molded into the rubber, it still
distorts slightly in the corner, as the actual bend in the door is greater
than 90 degrees.

This same piece of rubber is used in the Mangusta, by the way....and
presumably in your Longchamp?  Somebody may have installed your Longchamp
rubber backwards.  If it's not like in the above photo, it should be easy to
remove it and just switch side-to-side to get the same effect.

Mike

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