[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 98, Issue 17-SUNDAY DRIVE

[Dave]

Methanol fuel used in Indy cars has the advantage that it can run at extremely high compression ratios (meaning more power).

Methanol fires can be extinguished with water.

IndyDave

From: michael at michaelshortt.com [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:19 PM
To: Curt Hall
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 98, Issue 17-SUNDAY DRIVE

It makes about 15% less HP, so in essence, you're paying corn farmers for nothing, in fact, for not producing food or cattle feed.

and you go about 15% fewer miles per gallon.

All EPA testing is done with real 100% gas, that is one reason you'll never get the same mileage as the stick on the car unless you buy
100% gas.

It's a farce.

I tested the theory with the Magnum Hemi R/T this summer by buying boat gas at a 15% premium price and it got 15% better mileage,

net, zero sum gain, unless of course you count the wear and tear to your car from running that crap in it.

that's why I buy real Premium gas for the Pantera and dump in a bottle of Octane booster as well.


Michael


On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net<mailto:cuvee at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
I don't know much about the alternative fuels? But lets say a stock 300hp car gets 20 mpg with Gas, what kind of mpg would the same Car get using Ethanol, or E15, (is that the same stuff?) or Natural Gas or Propane?
Now I'm sure I'm not asking the question right? But you get the idea? I know our Government keeps trying to shove alternative fuels down our throats! But you don't see many off the Government folks driving any of those little Crap cars?  LOL

--- On Wed, 9/19/12, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com<mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com>> wrote:


From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com<mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 98, Issue 17-SUNDAY DRIVE
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Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2012, 4:25 AM


Indy cars run on Ethanol NASCAR on Gasoline. I suspect that's a big part of it.

Gray

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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 98, Issue 17-SUNDAY DRIVE


That shows horse power used VS HP available would be a bit more relevant.

> Jack,
>
> Indy Cars get much less mpg at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, avg. 1.92.
> NASCAR about 4 mpg.
> Talk about sucking gas....Top Fuel car about 6 gallons per 1/4 mile =
> 24 gallons/mile
>
> This year I drove to the Summer Summit, about 850-900 miles total.
> Interstate driving worst mileage was 18.2, best was 20.6. I was very
> well behaved on the 20.6 mpg run.
> BTW, I have a mild cam, 750 DP.
>
> I will try to dig up an article on acceleration & post. It is very
> interesting.
>
> IndyDave
>
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>
> In a message dated 9/17/12 9:10:34 AM, RCBSONS1 at aol.com<mailto:RCBSONS1 at aol.com> writes:
>
>
>> My Black car: 235 miles- 30 gallons of gas (7.8 mpg)
>>
>
> Bob's street Pantera has over 600 bhp. Indy cars have 800 bhp & get
> 3.8 mpg.
> Old saying- 'Power costs money. How much do you wanna go fast?'
> FWIW- J Deryke (with only 300 bhp but 20 mpg)
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