[DeTomaso] 429 Big Block (385 series)

[David in Durango]

Big block, or not?

Well, it can be done.  I was lucky enough to have a ride in Forest's car - a 
hilarious adventure which I'll always remember.

The conversion has been done without moving the drive-train back 4 inches. 
This is optimal, imo.

IMO, if your Pantera needs a power plant to match the beauty of Mr. 
Tjaarda's design, this should be considered - especially if you plan on 
driving the car many years without an engine rebuild. A good Windsor might 
be  close in performance, but the longevity won't match at those power 
levels.

Negatives?  Cooling issues - perhaps.  If you feel the need to practice 
smokey burnouts, plan to make contributions to Lloyd's Daytona vacation 
fund.  I believe, with reasonable driving habits, the ZF will live - maybe. 
One other drawback is the weight factor.  A mostly aluminum 385 series is 
pretty close to an iron 351C on the scales.  The extra wt. can be 
accomadated - but it will always be there!

FWIW, the current "fastest Pantera" in a mile goes to a 545" Big Block car . 
. .

David in Durango
Pantera, take it out and play with it!



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>   1. Re: Highest ZF tempeature ? (michael at michaelshortt.com)
>   2. Re: 429 big block (Sean Korb)
>   3. Re: 429 big block (David)
>   4. Re: will a 429 fit into a Pantera (Rick Shawver)
>   5. Re: Car show trivia (Mike Thomas)
>   6. Re: Car show trivia (Jeff Cobb)
>   7. Re: Car show trivia (Jeff Cobb)
>   8. Re: Car show trivia (Dave Londry)
>   9. Re: 429 big block (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>  10. Re: Cable Shifter (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>  11. Re: Highest ZF tempeature ? (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>  12. Re: Mangusta up for auction at Goodwood Revival....
>      (Mark Charlton)
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>  14. Re: NPC: 1969 Opel (Christopher Kimball)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 07:15:18 -0400
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Highest ZF tempeature ?
> To: Don Thomas <dtpantera at gmail.com>, DeTomaso Forum
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> IMHO that's a bad idea, the case needs to "breathe" as a part of the
> cooling process, I like the way polished cases look but understand that 
> the
> polishing process also seals the case a d they also run hotter.
> If you are just tooling around town and doing car shows it probably won't
> make difference, but the next owner might not drive it the same way, I 
> know
> that ultimately, I'm a caretaker, eventually the keys will be pried from 
> my
> cold dead hands.
> What is causing it to get so dirty, leaks?
> I wash mine ( engine area ) every time I wash the car, about every 3rd or
> 4th time I also spray it with Eagle One wheel cleaner for Rough Cast 
> wheels
> ( O'Reilly's) and about once a year brush on Aluminum Jelly and let it sit
> 5-10 minutes before washing off.
> Just be careful,  both of these products will eat the red and blue off of
> any AN parts nearby.
> It looks really good, almost white- silver afterwards.
>
> I'll send you a photo.
>
> Michael Shortt
> On Sep 1, 2012 3:54 AM, "Don Thomas" <dtpantera at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am considering putting a clear coat on my ZF in order to make it easier
>> to keep it clean.
>>
>> However, there are different clear coats out there that are rated at
>> different temperatures.
>>
>> Does anyone know what would be the highest temperature a ZF would
>> experience ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -dt
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 10:27:00 -0400
> From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 429 big block
> To: List Pantera <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:43 AM,  <LEVITT1946 at aol.com> wrote:
>> Hello Friends,
>>
>> Will a 429 Ford engine from a 1970 Mustang fit into the Pantera ?
>>
>
> Also, if you have a 1970 Mustang that the build sheet specifies it
> came with a 429 and has a date correct motor, that car is worth quite
> a bit of money in any condition!
>
> But if it suffers from a previous conversion, it's just a fun drag car
> and probably more valuable if you put a date correct 302 back in it.
> For reasons I will never understand, Mustangs are supposed to all be
> museum pieces.  A shame, really.  Put that thang' into the Pantera :)
>
> sean
> -- 
> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382
> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
> "Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 08:24:22 -1000
> From: David <fisher95020 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 429 big block
> To: JDeRyke at aol.com
> Cc: LEVITT1946 at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <1sp7ix04hjk29np7jyud4im4.1346523862095 at email.android.com>
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> This gets my vote for most entertaining email of the week.
> :-)
>
> JDeRyke at aol.com wrote:
>
>>In a message dated 8/31/12 10:44:31 PM, LEVITT1946 at aol.com writes:
>>
>>> Will a 429 Ford engine from a 1970 Mustang fit into the Pantera ?
>>>
>>Yes. There are quite a few such in the Pantera community. Precision Pro
>>Formance sells (or once   sold) a conversion kit. But why stop there? The 
>>460
>>is the same block as a 429 with a stroked crank, and Ford currently sells 
>>a
>>510 crate engine. The engines are 4" longer than a 351-C, so you shove the
>>whole powertrain back on custom motor and ZF mounts so it fits. The extra
>>angularity of the u-joints doesn't seem to shorten their life. The shifter 
>>is
>>adjustable enough. Finally, aluminum heads, an aluminum intake, a 
>>lightweight
>>Holley and an aluminum waterpump all add up to an engine that weighs about
>>40 lbs more than a stock 351-C but has 3X the torque. Seam-welding the 
>>entire
>>body and running a good chassis stiffener kit would be a good start 
>>towards
>>keeping an uncracked paint job.
>>
>>Now for the bad part. Even if the engine is free, it will NOT be a cheap,
>>easy swap! You get to make your own brackets to mount alt, AC and headers,
>>fiddle with the shifter around the wider repositioned block, and once 
>>running,
>>you'll find that your ZF is now effectively a 3-speed. 1st and 2nd are
>>pretty much useless even with 12" wide rear tires, except for winning
>>tire-destruction derbys, and are dangerous in the wet. So you re-gear the 
>>ZF for
>>another $2500 or so to harness the monster torque, which markedly 
>>increases your
>>top end and temptation to use it. There may be cooling issues even with a
>>big Fluidyne aluminum radiator. GT-40 type or 'Gurney-duct' hoods are 
>>common.
>>
>>Jr Wilson ran a 572" Boss-429 pro-stock-type engine in his open-road-race
>>Pantera for a decade, using a radically regeared ZF. But he also had the
>>unofficial 'world record for blown rear tires above 200 mph in a street 
>>car' (7
>>or 8....) and was once clocked at an event by radar at 245 on 2-lane
>>blacktop. He mentioned to me that "This is what you get if you spend $2000 
>>a month
>>for 5 years on your Pantera...." Darryl Johnson's 545" big-block Pantera
>>regularly competes in the Mojave Mile runs; he is trying for 180 in the
>>standing mile. Forest Goodheart is the latest in the big-block ranks with 
>>his 510"
>>Pantera that replaces a supercharged stroker-Cleveland he thought was too
>>slow. Surprisingly, all these owners are currently in Nor-Cal Panteras, 
>>but
>>there are others. Good luck- J Deryke
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> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 11:29:19 -0700
> From: Rick Shawver <rick.shawver at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] will a 429 fit into a Pantera
> To: detomaso at list.realbig.com, LEVITT1946 at aol.com
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> I saw a Pantera with a Boss 429 go through the Barret Jackson auction
> a few years back so I'd say the answer is yes.  You'd have all the
> issues associated with any big block conversion getting it in though.
>
> Rick.
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 18:37:02 -0700
> From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Car show trivia
> To: "'Jerry R Knotts'" <knottsj at galstar.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> . . . and sir, we amongst the Paneristi salute you for taking one for the
> cause.  Don't feel bad, Doug Braun's Grabber Blue '73 has been known for
> years as Detomato Petunia, her given name.
>
> Mike Thomas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Jerry R Knotts
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:28 AM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Car show trivia
>
> Did a charity exotic car show in downtown Tulsa this last weekend.  Two
> women happen by looking at the cars.  One that seemed to have had a few
> 'pops' asked if mine was a Delorian.  I said no that it was a DeTomaso
> Pantera.  She said that was her next guess.  Momentarily here friend
> wondered over to her and ask what kind of a car was she looking at.  She
> replied " Everyone knows that it is a Demataso Ponderosa."  At least they
> didn't think it was a prototype Fiero.
>
> The Tuesday night show and shine some thought it was a kit car and 
> wondered
> where I had purchased a kit car with a steel body.  Others were astounded
> that they were building cars in 1971 with twin turbos.
> Alas edu-ma-cating the unwashed and partially polished is always a
> challenge.
>
> DeTomaso headquarters Nowata, Ok,
> jerry
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 20:59:17 -0500
> From: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1 at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Car show trivia
> To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Cc: 'Jerry R Knotts' <knottsj at galstar.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
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> I've been asked if my Mangusta was a Mitsubishi Eclipse with a modified 
> rear window treatment.
> People would also ask if the Ghibli was a 69 Mustang fastback.
> The law says I cannot "choot em".
>
> Jeff Cobb
> Cell 225-907-4514
> Baton Rouge
> Louisiana, 70806
> www.liveoakconcours.org
> Concours, April 12-14, 2013
> ---------------------- 
> On Sep 1, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Mike Thomas wrote:
>
>> . . . and sir, we amongst the Paneristi salute you for taking one for the
>> cause.  Don't feel bad, Doug Braun's Grabber Blue '73 has been known for
>> years as Detomato Petunia, her given name.
>>
>> Mike Thomas
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of Jerry R Knotts
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:28 AM
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Car show trivia
>>
>> Did a charity exotic car show in downtown Tulsa this last weekend.  Two
>> women happen by looking at the cars.  One that seemed to have had a few
>> 'pops' asked if mine was a Delorian.  I said no that it was a DeTomaso
>> Pantera.  She said that was her next guess.  Momentarily here friend
>> wondered over to her and ask what kind of a car was she looking at.  She
>> replied " Everyone knows that it is a Demataso Ponderosa."  At least they
>> didn't think it was a prototype Fiero.
>>
>> The Tuesday night show and shine some thought it was a kit car and 
>> wondered
>> where I had purchased a kit car with a steel body.  Others were astounded
>> that they were building cars in 1971 with twin turbos.
>> Alas edu-ma-cating the unwashed and partially polished is always a
>> challenge.
>>
>> DeTomaso headquarters Nowata, Ok,
>> jerry
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 20:59:17 -0500
> From: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1 at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Car show trivia
> To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Cc: 'Jerry R Knotts' <knottsj at galstar.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <143B2392-41DA-47B8-9305-55FDD376A7B7 at me.com>
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> I've been asked if my Mangusta was a Mitsubishi Eclipse with a modified 
> rear window treatment.
> People would also ask if the Ghibli was a 69 Mustang fastback.
> The law says I cannot "choot em".
>
> Jeff Cobb
> Cell 225-907-4514
> Baton Rouge
> Louisiana, 70806
> www.liveoakconcours.org
> Concours, April 12-14, 2013
> ---------------------- 
> On Sep 1, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Mike Thomas wrote:
>
>> . . . and sir, we amongst the Paneristi salute you for taking one for the
>> cause.  Don't feel bad, Doug Braun's Grabber Blue '73 has been known for
>> years as Detomato Petunia, her given name.
>>
>> Mike Thomas
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of Jerry R Knotts
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:28 AM
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Car show trivia
>>
>> Did a charity exotic car show in downtown Tulsa this last weekend.  Two
>> women happen by looking at the cars.  One that seemed to have had a few
>> 'pops' asked if mine was a Delorian.  I said no that it was a DeTomaso
>> Pantera.  She said that was her next guess.  Momentarily here friend
>> wondered over to her and ask what kind of a car was she looking at.  She
>> replied " Everyone knows that it is a Demataso Ponderosa."  At least they
>> didn't think it was a prototype Fiero.
>>
>> The Tuesday night show and shine some thought it was a kit car and 
>> wondered
>> where I had purchased a kit car with a steel body.  Others were astounded
>> that they were building cars in 1971 with twin turbos.
>> Alas edu-ma-cating the unwashed and partially polished is always a
>> challenge.
>>
>> DeTomaso headquarters Nowata, Ok,
>> jerry
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 19:09:52 -0700
> From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Car show trivia
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Cc: 'Jerry R Knotts' <knottsj at galstar.com>
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> But sometimes you get lucky.
> I just spent the day volunteering at a Concours d'Elegance (Crescent 
> Beach)
> and they had invited one very original Pantera to the Italian section.
> It got a perfect score for authenticity, but only a medium score for
> elegance
> (make whatever you will of that).
> However the bystanders were discussing the merits of pushbuttons, pre-Ls
> and Ls,
> and disagreeing with each other.
> I had mine in the parking and apparently there were always a handful
> standing around it.
> When I got back to it there was one guy wanting to know where all the
> rubber bumpers went
>  and another wondering where the best place to shop would be.
> dave
>
> On 01/09/2012 6:37 PM, Mike Thomas wrote:
>>   . . . and sir, we amongst the Paneristi salute you for taking one for 
>> the
>> cause.  Don't feel bad, Doug Braun's Grabber Blue '73 has been known for
>> years as Detomato Petunia, her given name.
>>
>> Mike Thomas
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of Jerry R Knotts
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:28 AM
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Car show trivia
>>
>> Did a charity exotic car show in downtown Tulsa this last weekend.  Two
>> women happen by looking at the cars.  One that seemed to have had a few
>> 'pops' asked if mine was a Delorian.  I said no that it was a DeTomaso
>> Pantera.  She said that was her next guess.  Momentarily here friend
>> wondered over to her and ask what kind of a car was she looking at.  She
>> replied " Everyone knows that it is a Demataso Ponderosa."  At least they
>> didn't think it was a prototype Fiero.
>>
>> The Tuesday night show and shine some thought it was a kit car and 
>> wondered
>> where I had purchased a kit car with a steel body.  Others were astounded
>> that they were building cars in 1971 with twin turbos.
>> Alas edu-ma-cating the unwashed and partially polished is always a
>> challenge.
>>
>> DeTomaso headquarters Nowata, Ok,
>> jerry
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 22:45:17 -0400 (EDT)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 429 big block
> To: LEVITT1946 at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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> In a message dated 8/31/12 22 44 30, LEVITT1946 at aol.com writes:
>
>
>> Hello Friends,
>>
>> Will a 429 Ford engine from a 1970 Mustang fit into the Pantera ?
>>
>
>>>>With considerable work and expense, yes.   Several people here are
> running BBF motors in their Panteras.   Since the 429 and 460 share the 
> same
> architecture, they use 460-based motors, normally strokers to 500+.
>
> Not a job for the faint of heart, or wallet however.
>
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 22:45:20 -0400 (EDT)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cable Shifter
> To: michaelsavga at gmail.com, coreyjprice at gmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <ae92.5bb1571f.3d742240 at aol.com>
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>
> In a message dated 8/31/12 15 35 39, michaelsavga at gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> Couldn't they also be made of CF like a fishing rod, golf club, sailing
>> mast?
>>
>> We use some CF rods on camera platforms in place of AL, lighter and more
>> bling factor.
>>
>
>>>>Previous commercial attempts at a CF shift linkage were a dismal failure
> due to the fact that CF is very strong in the push-pull direction, but
> twists torsionally.
>
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 22:45:22 -0400 (EDT)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Highest ZF tempeature ?
> To: michaelsavga at gmail.com, dtpantera at gmail.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <ae96.488bb313.3d742242 at aol.com>
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>
> In a message dated 9/1/12 7 09 43, michaelsavga at gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> I wash mine ( engine area ) every time I wash the car, about every 3rd or
>> 4th time I also spray it with Eagle One wheel cleaner for Rough Cast
>> wheels
>> ( O'Reilly's) and about once a year brush on Aluminum Jelly and let it 
>> sit
>> 5-10 minutes before washing off.
>> Just be careful,? both of these products will eat the red and blue off of
>> any AN parts nearby.
>> It looks really good, almost white- silver afterwards.
>>
>
> FWIW Lloyd Butfoy showed me a trick...he uses WD40 exclusively for care 
> and
> feeding of the ZF finish.   It works surprisingly well as a solvent, i.e.
> you spray it down and then wipe it down and it cleans it.   It also seals 
> the
> pores and makes it much easier to keep clean afterwards and leaves a nice
> finish.
>
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 23:07:42 -0400
> From: Mark Charlton <pantera01826 at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mangusta up for auction at Goodwood
> Revival....
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <BB7739E6-B31F-4DAD-936E-1437BBD01B97 at rogers.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> That car is one of the many (IIRC) that Gerry McGlothin owned in Arizona. 
> Seems like all of his cars go through a few flips before they settle 
> quietly in collector hands.
>
> Interesting valve covers. Could't have been too many sets of those made up 
> and sold.
>
> Mark Charlton
> pantera01826 at rogers.com
>
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Daryl Adams <daryl.architect at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Some inaccuracies in that write-up, and I've never met a Mangusta that
>> sounds "just like a GT40", but it's a nice car and it will be very
>> interesting to see what it brings.
>>
>> Daryl
>> 8MA888
>> GT40P2123
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:39 AM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> Bring cash.   LOTS of cash....
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20145/lot/126/?page_anchor=MR1_page_lots%3D2
>>> %26r1%3D100%26m1%3D1<http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20145/lot/126/?page_anchor=MR1_page_lots%3D2%26r1%3D100%26m1%3D1>
>>>
>>> Mike
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 22:17:42 -0700
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Griot's C & G Sept. 112 PhotoShow
> To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Cc: Matt Hovind <matt.hovind at paccar.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT139-W860A9902A81BBEBFA37D1BCA40 at phx.gbl>
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>
> I don't know if this will translate to the list serve or not, but if it 
> does, it's a picture show of a great car show that happened today at 
> Griot's Garage's world headquarters in Tacoma Wa.
> Mike Thomas, Matt Hovind and I had our Panteras there, along with a huge 
> variety of cars, and a lot of incredible exotics.
> Sincerely,
> Chris KimballPNW President
>
> Subject: Griot's C & G Sept. 112 PhotoShow  Another fine job by Russ!  It 
> got crazy later when all the Lambos & Ferrari?s arrived!
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 22:57:59 -0700
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: 1969 Opel
> To: <spkorb at gmail.com>, Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
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>
> I finally got around to watching the Oldsmobile movie--it is absolutely 
> hilarious!
> Thanks, for sharing.
> Chris
>
>> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:49:52 -0400
>> From: spkorb at gmail.com
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: 1969 Opel
>>
>> Heh!  So true!
>>
>> Here's a 40 minute 1952 Oldsmobile Rocket commercial... for girls!
>> Bonus swimsuit footage!
>>
>> http://av-geeks.tumblr.com/post/30529986856/lady-and-the-rocket-1952-an-entertaining-yet
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Roland Jaeckel <pantera874 at t-online.de> 
>> wrote:
>> > I can't imagine to live in a "free" country with a speed limit. What a 
>> > waste
>> > of sheetmetal and horsepower...
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:36 PM
>> > To: "List Pantera" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: 1969 Opel
>> >
>> >
>> >> I really can't.  I just can't imagine.  I saw an American Top Gear the
>> >> other day and they were tooling around in a Peele Trident.  The car
>> >> seats two, but honestly it only fit this one large American seated
>> >> squarely in the middle so the car wouldn't list one way or the other.
>> >> I'm trying to imagine a country populated by Austins, Fiats and
>> >> Citroens encountering a 1960 Desoto  with twice the sheetmetal in the
>> >> tail fins as the common European grocery getter.  And 5+ times the
>> >> motor.
>> >>
>> >> Wow.
>> >>
>> >> sean
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Mikael <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> In Europe it was called Opel Olympia, the lesser model (yes really) 
>> >>> were
>> >>> called Kadett. It was top of the line Opel small car, did 100mph, 102 
>> >>> HP.
>> >>> Can you imagine growing up in a country where this was a quite fancy 
>> >>> car,
>> >>> and then watch the cars in American movies?
>> >>>
>> >>> Mikael
>> >>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> >>> Fra: Dave Londry [mailto:davel at emspace.com]
>> >>> Sendt: 30. august 2012 01:04
>> >>> Til: detomaso at list.realbig.com
>> >>> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: 1969 Opel
>> >>>
>> >>> Now the guys at that ad agency smoked a ton of dope.
>> >>> dave
>> >>>
>> >>> On 29/08/2012 3:18 PM, Rob Dumoulin wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> They had me hooked in the commercial.......especially with the chick
>> >>>> with angel wings.....until they touted the automatic transmission as 
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> primary feature :(
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi guys,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> My buddy is digitizing 40,000+ 16mm and 8mm educational, safety,
>> >>>>> training, etc films.  This one came up and I thought you car buffs
>> >>>>> would get a kick out of it :)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151377918645760
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I don't think you have to be logged into Facebook to see their 
>> >>>>> films
>> >>>>> if they're public, most of his stuff is on YouTube or archive.org
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Here's another one he digitized earlier in case you can't see the
>> >>>>> Facebook spot.  It's funny too... just not as weird.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgQT0AxgIkI
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> sean
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
>> >>>>> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 
>> >>>>> Pantera
>> >>>>> #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
>> >>>>> "Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P. 
>> >>>>> Picasso
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>> >> --
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>> >> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera 
>> >> #1382
>> >> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
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>> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera 
>> #1382
>> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
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