[DeTomaso] it wasn't that much fun

Fri Nov 30 18:38:52 EST 2012

I concur with Michael about the 315's. On my track only Pantera 315/35/17 rears paired with 245/ 16's on the front proved the best combination. That's with DOT slicks so street tires or pure slicks might have a different ideal combination. If I used the car more and really wanted to optimize it for the track I would put flairs on it and run wider rubber but for a narrow body car this is the best combo I've found. 

Gray  

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From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf Of CharlesMcCall
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] it wasn't that much fun

A number of go-fasters, specifically Mad Dawg, comment exactly what you say Michael. 

He ran fancy 17" rims with 335s on the street, but for his Silver State runs he ran his 15" Campys with, erm 255 rears? 285 rears? Something a whole lot "narrowed" than the 335s because the feel was a whole lot better

There may be something to the fact that the car was engineered for those narrower tires...

Charles McCall
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] it wasn't that much fun

I discovered that as well on my first time with it on a racetrack,
335/35/17 looks cool on the street, they SUCK on the racetrack.

The 315/35/17's did much better on both the local road course tracks  and on both visits to the Tail of the Dragon.

If I had a dedicated Pantera track car, I would try even smaller tires in the stock body config, may 295 even, I I were going to track it on a reg basis.

The car is fairly well balanced and wants to oversteer, but that can be easily countered with lots of right foot action as long as you have the horses to back it up.

When leaving the pits, on sandy, gritty pavement, a showy take off will about turn you sideways, so avoid those if at all possible.  ;-)

Having done the track thing with it, I think #1660 is retired from that experience again, until a new opportunity arises worthy of the risk.

What I need is a second Pantera....

Michael Shortt

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's something I noticed about the Pantera shortly after getting 
> mine running.  It handles extrordinarily well at the limits of 
> adhesion.  It handles something awful over the limits of adhesion.  My
> '69 Mustang was a much better ice skater on its bias ply tieres, but 
> could never hope corner like a Pantera.
>
> You can have it all, you just ahve to collect more cars to do it.
>
> sean
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM, David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
> wrote:
> > "A certain well-known Pantera owner and member of this forum burned
> himself
> > right into a ground-up restoration while doing a smoky exit from a club
> > meeting many years ago.   He disappeared from view in a spectacular,
> > tire-spinning fashion, and nobody saw the big bang as he then lost
> control, hit a
> > concrete barricade and completely destroyed the whole right side of the
> > car--sheetmetal, wheels, suspension, the lot.   He managed to then duck
> into a
> > parking lot and thus was out of view when the others went to see 
> > what
> made that
> > gawdaful sound! :>)
> >
> > The repair bill could easily have paid for another complete Pantera.
> >
> > That car has been back on the road for years, earning numerous 
> > concours
> and
> > car show awards and delivering many thousands of happy driving miles 
> > at
> the
> > same time.   He doesn't do burnouts anymore!
> >
> > Point being, even though the story has a happy ending, I'm sure he
didn't
> > want to go there, and you don't either.   Go buy a $2000 Mustang and do
> > burnouts to your heart's content. :>)"
> >
> > I once asked "a certain well-known Pantera owner" why he painted his
> car.  The above was the answer!
> >
> > Hahahaha
> >
> >
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