[DeTomaso] NPC: Re: I'm going to be sick.

Thu May 31 12:30:20 EDT 2012

E'me me Governor, I think that only applies if your first two are a MB
550 AMG and a Hummer H1,
 then apparently you can sleep with the Mexican housekeeper until your
bastard son shows up and
 it costs you $100 million bucks.

Michael

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> Misleading :). In order to be applicable, the comparison would be having
> two beautiful mistresses (Pantera/Viper) and preferring to sleep with the
> Mexican housekeeper.
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> If you like a blonde, do you hate brunettes and redheads?
>>
>> I like the Honda for the purpose that it serves.  At the time it was a
>> reliable 3rd car (behind the Pantera and Porsche).  We have since added a
>> 4th - a 2001 Viper.
>>
>> My Pantera was my daily driver for several years until I started a
>> rebuild.  It will resume that role once it is finished, thank you very much.
>>
>> I will never understand the philosophy that if I like a Prius or an
>> Insight, then I am required to hate anything that is the opposite - and you
>> can't get much more opposite than a Pantera or a Viper.
>>
>> BTW, I challenge you to put as many miles on your Pantera as I put on my
>> Pantera + Viper.  Actually, the Pantera hasn't moved in quite a while, but
>> it should be on the road this summer.  Once the bugs are worked out, it'll
>> get a lot of action.
>>
>> On May 31, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Roland Jaeckel wrote:
>>
>> > Will,
>> > To make you feel better, i take your Pantera. You don't have to pay
>> anything to me. I promise, it won't pollute US air in the future.
>> > You get a pair of shoes from me for it. Hand made in the US, if you want.
>> >
>> > Roland
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Kooiman" <
>> will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Konrad Szwab" <kszwab at gmail.com>
>> > Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:47 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I'm going to be sick.
>> >
>> >
>> >> That is more of the crap spewed by the media (air quality in India).
>> >>
>> >> My Insight has 120 D-Cell Lithium Ion batteries.  They are the same
>> size as flashlight batteries.
>> >>
>> >> This is not rocket science.  The world has been making Lithium Ion
>> batteries for years, but the media would have you think that hybrids have
>> some new technology that is terrible for the environment.  You don't hear
>> this noise about batteries in RC cars and airplanes, and they are
>> essentially the same thing.
>> >>
>> >> One reason (IMO) you hear about India is they had an explosion at a
>> Union Carbide plant in 1984 that killed at least 3,000 people.  I worked
>> with someone that was a girl in that town at the time.  She barely
>> survived. They had a mass evacuation in night.  People that stayed behind
>> or walked too slowly died.  You could blame that on India's low regard to
>> safety, though.  Seven people were convicted of negligence and they were
>> sentenced to 2 years in jail, plus $2k each.  Seriously??  For causing the
>> death of thousands of people they spend 2 years in jail?
>> >>
>> >> But that was a chemical plant, not a battery plant.
>> >>
>> >> And if you really want to compare the environmental impact of a hybrid
>> vs. a Pantera consider this:
>> >>
>> >> 1.  60-70mpg is average for an Insight.  20mpg is excellent for a
>> Pantera.
>> >> 2.  Oil change every 7,000 miles.  2.7 quarts.   vs. 10qts every 5,000
>> in a Pantera.
>> >> 3.  Tires last about 50,000 miles.  They still have rubber until about
>> 70,000, but they get noisy.  One typical Pantera tire has the rubber of
>> about 6 Insight tires.
>> >> 4.  Over 175,000 miles, I have never changed the rear brakes.  I have
>> changed the fronts twice.  Let's say 50,000 miles for pads the size of Oreo
>> cookies.
>> >> 5.  I changed the normal battery once.  It is a little bit larger than
>> a motorcycle battery.
>> >> 6.  I changed the air filter twice.
>> >> 7.  I changed all 3 spark plugs once.
>> >> 8.  I have never changed the clutch.
>> >> 9.  I have never pushed it home.
>> >> 10.  I have never towed it home.
>> >> 11.  It has never blown a fuse.
>> >> 12.  And last, but not least, I have never felt the need to leave long
>> wide black marks in the road (while I'm in the Honda).
>> >>
>> >> Do you really think making 120 D-cell lithium batteries is worse for
>> the environment than all that?
>> >>
>> >> BTW, when I changed my battery pack, the old batteries were recycled.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On May 30, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Konrad Szwab wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I love the concept of the Prius and the Insight (since I am an
>> electrical
>> >>> engineer). I considered buying a Leaf, but could not stand the face.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am shallow.
>> >>>
>> >>> I love driving my Firebird and Maseratis (and the Pantera when not
>> dead),
>> >>> gas guzzlers as they are. It is the same character flaw that made me
>> NOT
>> >>> have a Chinese wife.
>> >>>
>> >>> There is some efficiency that one has to sacrifice for looks. Everyone
>> has
>> >>> their own priorities.
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:
>> detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
>> >>> Behalf Of Will Kooiman
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:32 PM
>> >>> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> >>> Cc: michael at michaelshortt.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I'm going to be sick.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have hit 99mph (per the speedo) in the Insight.  It had quite a bit
>> more.
>> >>> It is tempting to put it on a track (for safety) to see what it will
>> do. If
>> >>> I were 17, I would try on an Interstate.
>> >>>
>> >>> I thought about entering it in the 85mph class at BBORR.
>> >>>
>> >>> It is temping to build a Smart Hayabusa,
>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJ84nho3_k.  It would be a fun car,
>> with the
>> >>> added benefit of being able to blow away anyone that gave you crap.
>>  And
>> >>> like I suggested, I have to deal with a lot of it in the Honda.
>> >>>
>> >>> On May 30, 2012, at 3:09 PM, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In a message dated 5/30/12 12 25 1, bjbstewart at yahoo.com writes:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> don't worry - they are all out here in CA doing 62 mph in the fast
>> >>>>> lane...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Not all of them--a PCNC/Capitol Panteras member uses one as his daily
>> >>>> driver for his 40+ mile freeway commute and just got a 'gift' of a
>> >>>> ticket for 80+ mph (anything over 81 mph moves it into a much more
>> >>>> expensive zone--and he was going more than 81 mph...)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Mike
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