[DeTomaso] NPC: Re: I'm going to be sick.

Thu May 31 12:22:02 EDT 2012

Misleading :). In order to be applicable, the comparison would be having
two beautiful mistresses (Pantera/Viper) and preferring to sleep with the
Mexican housekeeper.

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>wrote:

> If you like a blonde, do you hate brunettes and redheads?
>
> I like the Honda for the purpose that it serves.  At the time it was a
> reliable 3rd car (behind the Pantera and Porsche).  We have since added a
> 4th - a 2001 Viper.
>
> My Pantera was my daily driver for several years until I started a
> rebuild.  It will resume that role once it is finished, thank you very much.
>
> I will never understand the philosophy that if I like a Prius or an
> Insight, then I am required to hate anything that is the opposite - and you
> can't get much more opposite than a Pantera or a Viper.
>
> BTW, I challenge you to put as many miles on your Pantera as I put on my
> Pantera + Viper.  Actually, the Pantera hasn't moved in quite a while, but
> it should be on the road this summer.  Once the bugs are worked out, it'll
> get a lot of action.
>
> On May 31, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Roland Jaeckel wrote:
>
> > Will,
> > To make you feel better, i take your Pantera. You don't have to pay
> anything to me. I promise, it won't pollute US air in the future.
> > You get a pair of shoes from me for it. Hand made in the US, if you want.
> >
> > Roland
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Kooiman" <
> will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> > To: "Konrad Szwab" <kszwab at gmail.com>
> > Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I'm going to be sick.
> >
> >
> >> That is more of the crap spewed by the media (air quality in India).
> >>
> >> My Insight has 120 D-Cell Lithium Ion batteries.  They are the same
> size as flashlight batteries.
> >>
> >> This is not rocket science.  The world has been making Lithium Ion
> batteries for years, but the media would have you think that hybrids have
> some new technology that is terrible for the environment.  You don't hear
> this noise about batteries in RC cars and airplanes, and they are
> essentially the same thing.
> >>
> >> One reason (IMO) you hear about India is they had an explosion at a
> Union Carbide plant in 1984 that killed at least 3,000 people.  I worked
> with someone that was a girl in that town at the time.  She barely
> survived. They had a mass evacuation in night.  People that stayed behind
> or walked too slowly died.  You could blame that on India's low regard to
> safety, though.  Seven people were convicted of negligence and they were
> sentenced to 2 years in jail, plus $2k each.  Seriously??  For causing the
> death of thousands of people they spend 2 years in jail?
> >>
> >> But that was a chemical plant, not a battery plant.
> >>
> >> And if you really want to compare the environmental impact of a hybrid
> vs. a Pantera consider this:
> >>
> >> 1.  60-70mpg is average for an Insight.  20mpg is excellent for a
> Pantera.
> >> 2.  Oil change every 7,000 miles.  2.7 quarts.   vs. 10qts every 5,000
> in a Pantera.
> >> 3.  Tires last about 50,000 miles.  They still have rubber until about
> 70,000, but they get noisy.  One typical Pantera tire has the rubber of
> about 6 Insight tires.
> >> 4.  Over 175,000 miles, I have never changed the rear brakes.  I have
> changed the fronts twice.  Let's say 50,000 miles for pads the size of Oreo
> cookies.
> >> 5.  I changed the normal battery once.  It is a little bit larger than
> a motorcycle battery.
> >> 6.  I changed the air filter twice.
> >> 7.  I changed all 3 spark plugs once.
> >> 8.  I have never changed the clutch.
> >> 9.  I have never pushed it home.
> >> 10.  I have never towed it home.
> >> 11.  It has never blown a fuse.
> >> 12.  And last, but not least, I have never felt the need to leave long
> wide black marks in the road (while I'm in the Honda).
> >>
> >> Do you really think making 120 D-cell lithium batteries is worse for
> the environment than all that?
> >>
> >> BTW, when I changed my battery pack, the old batteries were recycled.
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 30, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Konrad Szwab wrote:
> >>
> >>> I love the concept of the Prius and the Insight (since I am an
> electrical
> >>> engineer). I considered buying a Leaf, but could not stand the face.
> >>>
> >>> I am shallow.
> >>>
> >>> I love driving my Firebird and Maseratis (and the Pantera when not
> dead),
> >>> gas guzzlers as they are. It is the same character flaw that made me
> NOT
> >>> have a Chinese wife.
> >>>
> >>> There is some efficiency that one has to sacrifice for looks. Everyone
> has
> >>> their own priorities.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:
> detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> >>> Behalf Of Will Kooiman
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:32 PM
> >>> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >>> Cc: michael at michaelshortt.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I'm going to be sick.
> >>>
> >>> I have hit 99mph (per the speedo) in the Insight.  It had quite a bit
> more.
> >>> It is tempting to put it on a track (for safety) to see what it will
> do. If
> >>> I were 17, I would try on an Interstate.
> >>>
> >>> I thought about entering it in the 85mph class at BBORR.
> >>>
> >>> It is temping to build a Smart Hayabusa,
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJ84nho3_k.  It would be a fun car,
> with the
> >>> added benefit of being able to blow away anyone that gave you crap.
>  And
> >>> like I suggested, I have to deal with a lot of it in the Honda.
> >>>
> >>> On May 30, 2012, at 3:09 PM, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In a message dated 5/30/12 12 25 1, bjbstewart at yahoo.com writes:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> don't worry - they are all out here in CA doing 62 mph in the fast
> >>>>> lane...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Not all of them--a PCNC/Capitol Panteras member uses one as his daily
> >>>> driver for his 40+ mile freeway commute and just got a 'gift' of a
> >>>> ticket for 80+ mph (anything over 81 mph moves it into a much more
> >>>> expensive zone--and he was going more than 81 mph...)
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
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