[DeTomaso] I'm going to be sick.

Roland Jaeckel pantera874 at t-online.de
Thu May 31 10:00:03 EDT 2012


Will,
To make you feel better, i take your Pantera. You don't have to pay anything 
to me. I promise, it won't pollute US air in the future.
You get a pair of shoes from me for it. Hand made in the US, if you want.

Roland
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: "Konrad Szwab" <kszwab at gmail.com>
Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I'm going to be sick.


> That is more of the crap spewed by the media (air quality in India).
>
> My Insight has 120 D-Cell Lithium Ion batteries.  They are the same size 
> as flashlight batteries.
>
> This is not rocket science.  The world has been making Lithium Ion 
> batteries for years, but the media would have you think that hybrids have 
> some new technology that is terrible for the environment.  You don't hear 
> this noise about batteries in RC cars and airplanes, and they are 
> essentially the same thing.
>
> One reason (IMO) you hear about India is they had an explosion at a Union 
> Carbide plant in 1984 that killed at least 3,000 people.  I worked with 
> someone that was a girl in that town at the time.  She barely survived. 
> They had a mass evacuation in night.  People that stayed behind or walked 
> too slowly died.  You could blame that on India's low regard to safety, 
> though.  Seven people were convicted of negligence and they were sentenced 
> to 2 years in jail, plus $2k each.  Seriously??  For causing the death of 
> thousands of people they spend 2 years in jail?
>
> But that was a chemical plant, not a battery plant.
>
> And if you really want to compare the environmental impact of a hybrid vs. 
> a Pantera consider this:
>
> 1.  60-70mpg is average for an Insight.  20mpg is excellent for a Pantera.
> 2.  Oil change every 7,000 miles.  2.7 quarts.   vs. 10qts every 5,000 in 
> a Pantera.
> 3.  Tires last about 50,000 miles.  They still have rubber until about 
> 70,000, but they get noisy.  One typical Pantera tire has the rubber of 
> about 6 Insight tires.
> 4.  Over 175,000 miles, I have never changed the rear brakes.  I have 
> changed the fronts twice.  Let's say 50,000 miles for pads the size of 
> Oreo cookies.
> 5.  I changed the normal battery once.  It is a little bit larger than a 
> motorcycle battery.
> 6.  I changed the air filter twice.
> 7.  I changed all 3 spark plugs once.
> 8.  I have never changed the clutch.
> 9.  I have never pushed it home.
> 10.  I have never towed it home.
> 11.  It has never blown a fuse.
> 12.  And last, but not least, I have never felt the need to leave long 
> wide black marks in the road (while I'm in the Honda).
>
> Do you really think making 120 D-cell lithium batteries is worse for the 
> environment than all that?
>
> BTW, when I changed my battery pack, the old batteries were recycled.
>
>
> On May 30, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Konrad Szwab wrote:
>
>> I love the concept of the Prius and the Insight (since I am an electrical
>> engineer). I considered buying a Leaf, but could not stand the face.
>>
>> I am shallow.
>>
>> I love driving my Firebird and Maseratis (and the Pantera when not dead),
>> gas guzzlers as they are. It is the same character flaw that made me NOT
>> have a Chinese wife.
>>
>> There is some efficiency that one has to sacrifice for looks. Everyone 
>> has
>> their own priorities.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of Will Kooiman
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:32 PM
>> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> Cc: michael at michaelshortt.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I'm going to be sick.
>>
>> I have hit 99mph (per the speedo) in the Insight.  It had quite a bit 
>> more.
>> It is tempting to put it on a track (for safety) to see what it will do. 
>> If
>> I were 17, I would try on an Interstate.
>>
>> I thought about entering it in the 85mph class at BBORR.
>>
>> It is temping to build a Smart Hayabusa,
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJ84nho3_k.  It would be a fun car, with 
>> the
>> added benefit of being able to blow away anyone that gave you crap.  And
>> like I suggested, I have to deal with a lot of it in the Honda.
>>
>> On May 30, 2012, at 3:09 PM, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 5/30/12 12 25 1, bjbstewart at yahoo.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> don't worry - they are all out here in CA doing 62 mph in the fast
>>>> lane...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not all of them--a PCNC/Capitol Panteras member uses one as his daily
>>> driver for his 40+ mile freeway commute and just got a 'gift' of a
>>> ticket for 80+ mph (anything over 81 mph moves it into a much more
>>> expensive zone--and he was going more than 81 mph...)
>>>
>>> Mike
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