[DeTomaso] I'm going to be sick.

Thu May 31 09:02:17 EDT 2012

Will,

You neglected to consider a bicycle in your comparison. It has a much
better turning radius, you put your foot down and it goes, no power assist
means you really feel the road feedback, some have "bling" rims up to 27",
they have much less impact on environment during construction, does
practically zero damage to roads or environment to operate, They usually
degrade into non-toxic rust rather than heavy metals, and they gets
infinitely better MPG than your hybrid.  But, like a hybrid, you can't
pickup chicks with one.

End of story.

Guys, this is getting boring

Rob "short attention span" DuMoulin

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>wrote:

> That is more of the crap spewed by the media (air quality in India).
>
> My Insight has 120 D-Cell Lithium Ion batteries.  They are the same size
> as flashlight batteries.
>
> This is not rocket science.  The world has been making Lithium Ion
> batteries for years, but the media would have you think that hybrids have
> some new technology that is terrible for the environment.  You don't hear
> this noise about batteries in RC cars and airplanes, and they are
> essentially the same thing.
>
> One reason (IMO) you hear about India is they had an explosion at a Union
> Carbide plant in 1984 that killed at least 3,000 people.  I worked with
> someone that was a girl in that town at the time.  She barely survived.
>  They had a mass evacuation in night.  People that stayed behind or walked
> too slowly died.  You could blame that on India's low regard to safety,
> though.  Seven people were convicted of negligence and they were sentenced
> to 2 years in jail, plus $2k each.  Seriously??  For causing the death of
> thousands of people they spend 2 years in jail?
>
> But that was a chemical plant, not a battery plant.
>
> And if you really want to compare the environmental impact of a hybrid vs.
> a Pantera consider this:
>
> 1.  60-70mpg is average for an Insight.  20mpg is excellent for a Pantera.
> 2.  Oil change every 7,000 miles.  2.7 quarts.   vs. 10qts every 5,000 in
> a Pantera.
> 3.  Tires last about 50,000 miles.  They still have rubber until about
> 70,000, but they get noisy.  One typical Pantera tire has the rubber of
> about 6 Insight tires.
> 4.  Over 175,000 miles, I have never changed the rear brakes.  I have
> changed the fronts twice.  Let's say 50,000 miles for pads the size of Oreo
> cookies.
> 5.  I changed the normal battery once.  It is a little bit larger than a
> motorcycle battery.
> 6.  I changed the air filter twice.
> 7.  I changed all 3 spark plugs once.
> 8.  I have never changed the clutch.
> 9.  I have never pushed it home.
> 10.  I have never towed it home.
> 11.  It has never blown a fuse.
> 12.  And last, but not least, I have never felt the need to leave long
> wide black marks in the road (while I'm in the Honda).
>
> Do you really think making 120 D-cell lithium batteries is worse for the
> environment than all that?
>
> BTW, when I changed my battery pack, the old batteries were recycled.
>
>
> On May 30, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Konrad Szwab wrote:
>
> > I love the concept of the Prius and the Insight (since I am an electrical
> > engineer). I considered buying a Leaf, but could not stand the face.
> >
> > I am shallow.
> >
> > I love driving my Firebird and Maseratis (and the Pantera when not dead),
> > gas guzzlers as they are. It is the same character flaw that made me NOT
> > have a Chinese wife.
> >
> > There is some efficiency that one has to sacrifice for looks. Everyone
> has
> > their own priorities.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Will Kooiman
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:32 PM
> > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Cc: michael at michaelshortt.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I'm going to be sick.
> >
> > I have hit 99mph (per the speedo) in the Insight.  It had quite a bit
> more.
> > It is tempting to put it on a track (for safety) to see what it will do.
>  If
> > I were 17, I would try on an Interstate.
> >
> > I thought about entering it in the 85mph class at BBORR.
> >
> > It is temping to build a Smart Hayabusa,
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJ84nho3_k.  It would be a fun car,
> with the
> > added benefit of being able to blow away anyone that gave you crap.  And
> > like I suggested, I have to deal with a lot of it in the Honda.
> >
> > On May 30, 2012, at 3:09 PM, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> In a message dated 5/30/12 12 25 1, bjbstewart at yahoo.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>> don't worry - they are all out here in CA doing 62 mph in the fast
> >>> lane...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not all of them--a PCNC/Capitol Panteras member uses one as his daily
> >> driver for his 40+ mile freeway commute and just got a 'gift' of a
> >> ticket for 80+ mph (anything over 81 mph moves it into a much more
> >> expensive zone--and he was going more than 81 mph...)
> >>
> >> Mike
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