[DeTomaso] I'm going to be sick.

Thu May 31 08:58:19 EDT 2012

The Prometheus RT01 gets my vote, or an LAV25 :)

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=prometheus+movie+transport&view=detail&id=A43E66EF4C63A81B8558B3A4763B0222C6672662&first=0&FORM=IDFRIR
As far as LiIon batteries, they suck. It is a mystery how they last as long
in hybrid cars vs. the laptop batteries that use the same technology and
they die after about 1 year.

Are you sure you are using LiIon and not NiMH ? I thought only the Tesla
used LiIon since they are expensive.
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>wrote:

> That is more of the crap spewed by the media (air quality in India).
>
> My Insight has 120 D-Cell Lithium Ion batteries.  They are the same size
> as flashlight batteries.
>
> This is not rocket science.  The world has been making Lithium Ion
> batteries for years, but the media would have you think that hybrids have
> some new technology that is terrible for the environment.  You don't hear
> this noise about batteries in RC cars and airplanes, and they are
> essentially the same thing.
>
> One reason (IMO) you hear about India is they had an explosion at a Union
> Carbide plant in 1984 that killed at least 3,000 people.  I worked with
> someone that was a girl in that town at the time.  She barely survived.
>  They had a mass evacuation in night.  People that stayed behind or walked
> too slowly died.  You could blame that on India's low regard to safety,
> though.  Seven people were convicted of negligence and they were sentenced
> to 2 years in jail, plus $2k each.  Seriously??  For causing the death of
> thousands of people they spend 2 years in jail?
>
> But that was a chemical plant, not a battery plant.
>
> And if you really want to compare the environmental impact of a hybrid vs.
> a Pantera consider this:
>
> 1.  60-70mpg is average for an Insight.  20mpg is excellent for a Pantera.
> 2.  Oil change every 7,000 miles.  2.7 quarts.   vs. 10qts every 5,000 in
> a Pantera.
> 3.  Tires last about 50,000 miles.  They still have rubber until about
> 70,000, but they get noisy.  One typical Pantera tire has the rubber of
> about 6 Insight tires.
> 4.  Over 175,000 miles, I have never changed the rear brakes.  I have
> changed the fronts twice.  Let's say 50,000 miles for pads the size of Oreo
> cookies.
> 5.  I changed the normal battery once.  It is a little bit larger than a
> motorcycle battery.
> 6.  I changed the air filter twice.
> 7.  I changed all 3 spark plugs once.
> 8.  I have never changed the clutch.
> 9.  I have never pushed it home.
> 10.  I have never towed it home.
> 11.  It has never blown a fuse.
> 12.  And last, but not least, I have never felt the need to leave long
> wide black marks in the road (while I'm in the Honda).
>
> Do you really think making 120 D-cell lithium batteries is worse for the
> environment than all that?
>
> BTW, when I changed my battery pack, the old batteries were recycled.
>
>
> On May 30, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Konrad Szwab wrote:
>
> > I love the concept of the Prius and the Insight (since I am an electrical
> > engineer). I considered buying a Leaf, but could not stand the face.
> >
> > I am shallow.
> >
> > I love driving my Firebird and Maseratis (and the Pantera when not dead),
> > gas guzzlers as they are. It is the same character flaw that made me NOT
> > have a Chinese wife.
> >
> > There is some efficiency that one has to sacrifice for looks. Everyone
> has
> > their own priorities.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Will Kooiman
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:32 PM
> > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Cc: michael at michaelshortt.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I'm going to be sick.
> >
> > I have hit 99mph (per the speedo) in the Insight.  It had quite a bit
> more.
> > It is tempting to put it on a track (for safety) to see what it will do.
>  If
> > I were 17, I would try on an Interstate.
> >
> > I thought about entering it in the 85mph class at BBORR.
> >
> > It is temping to build a Smart Hayabusa,
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJ84nho3_k.  It would be a fun car,
> with the
> > added benefit of being able to blow away anyone that gave you crap.  And
> > like I suggested, I have to deal with a lot of it in the Honda.
> >
> > On May 30, 2012, at 3:09 PM, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> In a message dated 5/30/12 12 25 1, bjbstewart at yahoo.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>> don't worry - they are all out here in CA doing 62 mph in the fast
> >>> lane...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not all of them--a PCNC/Capitol Panteras member uses one as his daily
> >> driver for his 40+ mile freeway commute and just got a 'gift' of a
> >> ticket for 80+ mph (anything over 81 mph moves it into a much more
> >> expensive zone--and he was going more than 81 mph...)
> >>
> >> Mike
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