[DeTomaso] Battery questions, again.

Wed May 30 11:42:57 EDT 2012

For what it's worth, I've got a 3 year old red top Optima that has
completely discharged more than a handful of times and still goes strong.

Crud....now I've jinxed myself.

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:28 AM, LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Roger that...I've never use a tender and never have to charge up batteries.
>
>
> I was wondering if there was a battery today that combined the performance
> and long term storage ability of the vintage Optima with the small size and
> weight of the new Genesis.
>
> It doesn't sound like it.
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> LS
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> ________________________________
>  From: "shawkins777 at comcast.net" <shawkins777 at comcast.net>
> To: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
> Cc: asajay at asajay.com; De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>;
> parapantera at aol.com; Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>;
> red3644 at hotmail.com; sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net; michael at michaelshortt.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Battery questions, again.
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> Drive your car often and then don't have to worry about the battery
> discharging.
>
> Steve
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> ________________________________
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> From: "LS" <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
> To: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, red3644 at hotmail.com,
> sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net, michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: asajay at asajay.com, "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>,
> parapantera at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:00:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Battery questions, again.
>
> What battery has the long life of the vintage Optima with the small size
> and low weight of the Genesis batteries?
>
> Thanks,
> LS
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> central
> wines-spirits   est 1934
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> 625 e street nw
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> washington, dc 20004
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> centralwines.com
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> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
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> 202-737-2800
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> ________________________________
>  From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: lashdeep at yahoo.com; red3644 at hotmail.com; sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net;
> michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: asajay at asajay.com; De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>;
> parapantera at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Battery questions, again.
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> I'm not sure I see any difference in the optiosn you quoted? The Optima is
> an AGM and like the Odyssey or DynaBatt has a significantly reduced life
> if you let it fully discharge. The trick is not to let any of them fully
> discharge, even a 50% discharge is damaging to overall life, something like
> 300 cycles at that point.
>
> The Odyssey and DynaBatt (extremely so) are more compact than the Optima
> and offer greater options for creative mounting. FWIW the DynaBatt is a
> rebranded (and hyper cost) Genesis, both Genesis and Odyssey (Hawker)
> brands are all part of the Enersys Group.
>
> Julian
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> ________________________________
>  Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:27:39 -0700
> From: lashdeep at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Battery questions, again.
> To: red3644 at hotmail.com; sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net; julian_kift at hotmail.com;
> michael at michaelshortt.com
> CC: asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at realbig.com; parapantera at aol.com
>
>
> So, we know that the Optima is (or was) a good battery and its
> non-spillable feature allowed for more mounting options.
>
> The Odyssey and DynaBatt models are smaller and lighter but maybe not
> great for periods of storage.
>
> Is there a lightweight and durable battery that has the best of both
> worlds?
>
> LS
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> central
> wines-spirits   est 1934
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> 625 e street nw
>
> washington, dc 20004
>
> centralwines.com
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> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
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> 202-737-2800
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> ________________________________
>  From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
> To: lashdeep at yahoo.com; sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net; julian_kift at hotmail.com;
> michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: asajay at asajay.com; pantera list <detomaso at realbig.com>;
> parapantera at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:48 PM
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Battery questions, again.
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> Very common discussion on the Corvette Forums.  It seems that the new
> Optimas are indeed lower quality than
> the old ones.  I use the NAPA glass mat batteries.  A few more cranking
> amps for a few less $$$ than an Optima, and more readily available...FWIW.
>
> Michael Frazier
> Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa
>
>
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> > Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:25:08 -0700
> > From: lashdeep at yahoo.com
> > To: sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net; julian_kift at hotmail.com;
> michael at michaelshortt.com
> > CC: asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at realbig.com; parapantera at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Battery questions, again.
> >
> > I have an Optima Red Top that I bought in 2001 used in various
> recreational cars. Sometimes these cars have sat for six months at a time
> but this battery always performed well without any charging or maintenance.
> >
> > I've heard that the new Optimas aren't made as well as the older ones.
> >
> > Any data out there to support that rumor?
> >
> > LS
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> >
> >
> > central
> > wines-spirits   est 1934
> >
> >
> > 625 e street nw
> >
> > washington, dc 20004
> >
> > centralwines.com
> >
> >
> > facebook.com/CentralLiquors
> >
> >
> > 202-737-2800
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> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: SG <sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; michael at michaelshortt.com
> > Cc: asajay at asajay.com; De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>;
> parapantera at aol.com
> > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 1:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Battery questions, again.
> >
> > I have a redtop optima in the Pantera that is at least eight yrs old and
> going strong.  It also sat about 9 months once without being used or
> charged.  when I checked it it was still at 12.5v and ready to use.  I
> think that in one form or another the dry cell is the way to go.
> >
> > Shaun Gibson
> >
> > --- On Sun, 5/27/12, michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Battery questions, again.
> > To: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: asajay at asajay.com, "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>,
> parapantera at aol.com
> > Date: Sunday, May 27, 2012, 11:49 AM
> >
> >
> > Great point Julian, I'm on my 3rd Optima ( one was in the car when I got
> > it, approx 4 years old, it lasted another year with me, then my first
> > replacement Optima that lasted 4 years which also died if not driven
> every
> > few weeks (drain somewhere) and the current one which is in year 2.5) The
> > last one has constantly been hooked up to a Battery Tender Jr. ($59.95)
> and
> > shows no signs of weakness thus far.
> > I have now put one on both M/C and the 450SL as well.
> >
> > I recommend them highly for anything that isn't driven on a regular
> basis.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > BTW, is. Battery Tender dies, they'll rebuilt for $17.95.
> > On May 27, 2012 11:55 AM, "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I needed a new battery for the Ultima and the replacement factory
> > > recommended Varley Red Top was $430, so I switched to the equivalent
> > > Odyssey ER40 (Extreme Racing), which was $130 less. It's a tiny little
> > > thing, but kicks the Chebbie over every time with no issues and cold
> > > cranking is usually a longer demand for me as I don't have a cold start
> > > circuit.
> > >
> > > The Varley was a great battery too and lasted 8 years and probably
> would
> > > have gone longer had I known you cannot high boost start/charge the Dry
> > > Cells, so a lesson  One other advantage of the Dry cells is you can get
> > > creative with mounting as they don't need to be upright. I once saw a
> > > picture of one mounted under the front trunk upside down in a Pantera,
> the
> > > equivalent of the drop battery box, without the cutting and welding.
> > >
> > > On the other hand I have been going through Optima batteries in 6 - 24
> > > months in the Pantera (I did have a parasitic drain sometimes, which I
> > > think I have cured with a new hazard switch), so the next battery I
> buy for
> > > the Pantera will be an Odyssey. For each car/battery I now have a CTEK
> > > intelligent trickle charger too. The gell cell or AGM batteries just
> don't
> > > recover well from full discharge.
> > >
> > > Julian
> > >
> > > > From: ParaPantera at aol.com
> > > > Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 07:57:04 -0400
> > > > To: asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Battery questions, again.
> > > >
> > > > In 2003 I purchased a "little" Odyssey PC925 since I had mounted  the
> > > > clutch master vacuum pump on the passenger side of the pedal house,
> size
> > > was  an
> > > > issue.  In 2006 I changed vacuum pump locations, and the battery in
> my
> > > > Acura I bought new in July 2001 was at the end of it's five year life
> > >  span.  I
> > > > put the PC925 in the Acura and bought a PC1200 for the  Pantera.  The
> > > PC925
> > > > is still performs flawlessley after nine  years.  As for the PC1200
> it
> > > has
> > > > endured six years of Lucas electrical  abuse including maybe three
> times
> > > a
> > > > year when a dome light anomaly drains it  completely.
> > > >
> > > >  I cannot speak for Odyssey's built today, but the two I have
> purchased
> > > > have been cost effective from a durability and life span point of
> view.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 5/26/2012 3:22:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > > asajay at asajay.com writes:
> > > >
> > > > Best  battery to buy for a Pantera today?
> > > > Wet cell tech versus Dry cell  tech?
> > > >
> > > > Is the Odyssey any good anymore?
> > > > How about the Orbital?
> > > > Has  anyone tried the Dyna-Batt?
> > > >
> > > > I am battery poor at the moment.  I  have two rigs with old worn out
> and
> > > > absolutely -dead- batteries and they  can't be driven a such.  I also
> > > > have one currently going out, so I  need to think new batteries soon.
> > > >
> > > > I'm less a fan of wet cell these days  if I can get something better.
> > > >
> > > > Asa Jay
> > > >
> > > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt,  USAFR, Retired
> > > > &  Shelley Marie
> > > > Spokane,  WA
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