[DeTomaso] Translation of motor oil

Thu May 3 18:11:55 EDT 2012

I actually use Shell Rotella T, but Delo and Delvac are essentially the same thing by different companies.   By me Walmart usually has all of them in stock, so you shouldn't have to go thru any special effort to find them.  They are all in the HDEO - Heavy duty engine oil-- category and designed to tolerate the extra strain of use in a diesel engine.

while the government is also forcing them to cut back the ZDDP content on these, they are still much better than the PCMO -- passenger car motor oils-- 

Here is an oil analysis of Rotella T synthetic (which Walmart also stocks) on bobistheoilguy.com.  I would expect the non-synthetic to have the same ZDDP (zinc and phosphate) numbers

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2566898#Post2566898

I use the synthetic in my higher-revving Italian engines and the non-syn in the Pantera and my TR6

At Walmart the synthetic sells for about $22 per gallon, the non-syn for about half that.

Mobil 1 15W-50 is a higher viscosity equivalent of Rotella synthetic so you'll have higher oil pressure at high engine temps and poorer pumping / more engine damage at cold start.  

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: LEVITT1946 <LEVITT1946 at aol.com>
To: pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>; charlesmccall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>; davel <davel at emspace.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 2:04 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Translation of motor oil

Yes I am talking about my pantera . I can purchase the delo product from one company here on the east coast .

PRIME LUBE, INC.

800 Roosevelt Avenue
Carteret, NJ
Phone: (732)969-9200

Can you tell me what I should be asking for ? 

I took this list from an article back in may of 2011

Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil , 20W-50 because its easy to find, cheap and has the 1200-1300 ish ppm 

Mobil 1 product 0W-50 Racing Oil "formulated for NASCAR Cup engines" with big time 1850ppm for ZDDP

Mobil 1 15W-50 is "back by demand" according to the web site and has ZDDP loadings in the 1200-1300 'ish ppm range

In a message dated 5/3/2012 4:25:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pantdino at aol.com writes:

Assuming you're talking about your Pantera--
Pennzoil 10W-40 will have about 800 ppm of ZDDP-- probably not enough if you still have non-roller cam followers
You're better off with Delo or one of the other Heavy Duty 15W-40 gas-diesel oils, which have about 1100 PPM.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: LEVITT1946 <LEVITT1946 at aol.com>
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Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 4:32 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Translation of motor oil

I use pennzoil 10w40 and my engine seems to run great . PI Motorsports  
ecommended I switch from mobil 1 to pennzoil. 

ob 

n a message dated 4/24/2012 3:48:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
harlesmccall at gmail.com writes:
Thanks  Dave!

By 2004 there were catalytic converters so I'd assume  that oil for 2004 had
ower levels of zddp. 

Of course you  know what they say about  assumptions...

Thanks!

Charles McCall
aising  Pantera Awareness Across Europe
985 DeTomaso Pantera  #9375
http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323>
ttp://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323

From:  Dave Londry [mailto:davel at emspace.com] 
ent: martes, 24 de abril de 2012  21:28
o: CharlesMcCall
c: detomaso at realbig.com
ubject: Re:  [DeTomaso] Translation of motor oil

I don't see anyone speaking  up Charles. (no wonder, it's pretty well
mpossible to answer now)
or a  non-roller cam
.You want >9ppm
.Optimum is about 12 ppm which gives  you some room for depletion 
which happens during normal  running)
.Folklore says >18ppm gets you into some embrittlement  issues.
I choose to trust this one, no particular reason though)
As  to what your 10W40 has in it??
 years ago it would have had 1200 ppm. Now  ?
As far as reading the designation - wtf knows what this means and  this is
he API, who make up them  up.
ttp://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/API.html

L 
Current  
For 2004 and older automotive engines. 

J 
Current  
For 2001 and older automotive engines.

F  
Current 
Introduced in 1994. For off-road, indirect injected  and other diesel 
ngines
ncluding those using fuel with over 0.5% weight  sulfur. Can be used in
lace of CD oils. 

ere's a blurb from  Mobil pitching 0W40 and 10W40  Hi-Mileage
ttp://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/ZDDP_Levels_C
assic_Cars.aspx
What  would I do?
dd 600 ppm and pray a  bunch.
ave

n 24/04/2012 11:41 AM,  CharlesMcCall wrote: 
Hi

Can someone who knows oil or  where to look confirm that API SL/SJ/CF oil
eeds zddp additive?  

I have additive and just bought some Mobil 10W40. (What  happens if you add
oo much zddp anyway? Is that a bad  thing?)

Charles McCall
aising Pantera  Awareness Across Europe
985 DeTomaso Pantera #9375
http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323>
http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323>
ttp://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323

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