[DeTomaso] MAP Squadron De-briefing

Jim Gray grayjim at att.net
Wed May 2 13:04:52 EDT 2012


Tom,

We were honored to have you in the MAP Squadron.  I did not know that Cory 
Gehling (?) was still doing Pantera work at Collectors Choice.

Jim Gray



----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 11:07:22 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MAP Squadron De-briefing


Chuck,
Great write up.  Got home without any problems other than severe lack of sleep.  
Doing the trip out in 3 ten hour days was surprisingly fun.  Doing the trip back 
in a 20 hour day and a 12 hour day on just 8 hours of sleep between both days 
was torture.  Due to forecasted storms for the next week the next day was the 
best opportunity to avoid rain so I got up the next morning at 6am and jumped 
back into the car and drove another 200 miles to drop it off at Collectors 
Choice where it will be repaired from the plywood accident.

It was a pleasure meeting up with everyone in the MAP Squadron who were a great 
bunch of guys (and gal).  It was an experience that I will never forget.

Tom Shinrock





-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
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JJD1010 <JJD1010 at aol.com>; rrsantilli <rrsantilli at att.net>; alex.engles1 
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Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 9:13 pm
Subject: RE: MAP Squadron De-briefing



Dear Guys,


              I am still trying to get caught up.


              The night before departure we had dinner and Tom asked to use the 
garage to add some clutch fluid.  His mysterious fluid loss was due to a failed 
slave cylinder.  I had a spare long throw unit and Todd Reid popped it in and 
adjusted the push rod to compensate for the longer throw and Tom was ready for 
the departure.  


              Monday was clear and sunny.  The morning schedule went along on 
time.  The trip south perfectly encountered a rolling rendezvous with Jim Gray 
and  we pressed onward to the turnpike.  Disaster struck before the first toll 
booth when a  sheet of plywood on the road was kicked up by the preceding 
Pantera.  It was a low altitude cruise missile that Tom couldn’t avoid.  It 
damaged his front spoiler and fog light.  A side of the shoulder repair with 
large zip ties secured things and mercifully no damage was done to the fans, 
radiator or headlights.  Tom pressed onward without any driveability problems.  
  We had another perfect rolling rendezvous with Shawn Gibson about a hundred 
miles down the road where he joined us with his Pantera on a trailer due to its 
freshly installed engine.  



            In Wichita Falls, Jeff Detrich and Mike DiTucci joined us for a 
squadron strength of eight total.  We encountered some good roads between 
Wichita Falls and Lubbock.  Wonderfully undulating and high speed.  Just 
mesquite and no other real traffic.  Lunch in Lubbock at Ruby Tequilla’s 
preceded the final push to Roswell.

              Jeff’s recently reassembled Pantera was having some shifting 
problems which were due to a slightly loose trunion bearing support.  The La 
Quinta Inn was ready for us.  The next morning was clear, sunny and crisp.  Jeff 
was still having some shifting problems.  Then Jim couldn’t start his car.  
During the night some Italian gremlin disabled the ignition wire from the switch 
to the solenoid.  Shawn made temporary repairs and Jim did not turn off his 
Pantera from 8 a.m. until 7;30 pm that evening.

              We shortly ran into more problems with Jeff’s car in the from of 
“overheating” indicated by a temp gauge in the red zone.  After a couple of 
nervous stops, Mike DiTucci used a temp gun to ascertain that all the real temps 
on the engine and cooling system were normal and the temp sender was wonky.  
While we were dealing with this Jim Gray and Shaun pressed onward due to rising 
engine temps on Jim’s car.  We were not to see them again until Las Cruces.  
Finally,  we hit some wonderful New Mexico roads with curves and rises and 
descents.  


            Somewhere east of Las Cruces, the chronically cursed AC system that 
was *supposed* to be fixed by the experts, blew yet again rendering Alex happy 
that he was wearing khaki shorts rather than jeans…….

              We hit I-10 in Las Cruces and enjoyed truck saturated super slab 
until we all exited for the mandatory Border Patrol check point.  What a bizarre 
thing it is.  Alex upset the guards.  The trick question to pass the check point 
was “Where were you born?”    Clearly, this fiendishly clever question was 
designed to reveal illegal immigrants as well as infiltrating al-Qaida 
terrorists.  Only our leaders and officials in Washington could have come up 
with something this effective against evil doers.  We finally pressed onward off 
the interstate and hit the very long small town of Globe that seemed to go on 
for ten miles.  It suddenly stopped and we found ourselves on a wonderful canyon 
road  that was complicated by filthy windshields and the glare of the setting 
sun.  We kept going.  In short order we were a bit over the 50 mph limit and 
about 2/3rds of the way down went zip-zip-zip seven times past a law enforcement 
vehicle ascending the canyon.    It would appear that he didn’t or couldn’t get 
turned around as miraculously we didn’t encounter a roadblock nor helicopters on 
our entrance into a dark Phoenix.  Bob Knox led us to the resort with his GPS.  


              We were among the very first there and despite our delays we 
arrived before the Houston group due to their trailer tire problems.

              The resort was very nice and way better than the old Plaza, the 
Orleans or the Reno CircusCircus.    The next morning saw the squadron 
performing cleanup and repair.  Shaun and Jim got the ignition fixed.


                The return trip had the squadron split into a northern group and 
a southern group.  The northern group consisting of our northern members plus 
Shaun with his Pantera on a trailer opted for the faster, more boring , but more 
efficient I-40 back east.  They consisted of Bob Knox, Bob Radefeld, Tom 
Shinrock and Shaun.  The southern contingent consisted of the Engles brothers, 
Jim Gray and Jeff Detrich.  


            We launched and had a good run back to the east.  All was running 
well.  We made Roswell before sundown and got the news from the northern 
brothers about Bob Knox’s tire and wheel problem as well as the transplant from 
Shaun’s trailered Pantera.  They pressed on and I trust they all arrived home 
without further incidents.

            We took off Monday morning after careful and anxious study of the 
rain and storm forecast along the route.  The chances had decreased overnight 
and we made good time.  The Valentine saved us from a couple of officers, but a 
fair number of cops did *not* have their radar on, which made for some worrisome 
surprises.  The only mishap occurred in the west Texas panhandle when my 
driver’s window refused to come up.  Quickie repairs didn’t make it budge and it 
stayed down for another three hundred miles.  Sigh.  Jeff peeled off in Wichita 
Falls to head back to DFW and we pressed home with brisk speed that somehow 
didn’t get the attention of the parked OK Highway Patrol on the shoulder with 
his radar OFF.  We returned to PRI at 7 p.m. Monday evening with all systems go 
except the window and the darn AC that blew near Las Cruces on the way down and 
was actually working until the window failure rendered it useless.  Clean up 
will progress this weekend, most likely.

            The trip out is faster and more interesting.  The trip home does 
seem to be longer and less exciting, but the back roads sure beat the boredom of 
the I-40 trips of old to Las Vegas.

                            Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles






                  




From: M Grillot [mailto:msjaan at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:30 PM
To: Charles Engles; B Hower; JJD1010 at aol.com; rrsantilli at att.net; 
alex.engles1 at gmail.com
Cc: bob at radefeld.com; sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net; cmccann1972 at gmail.com; 
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Subject: Re: MAP Squadron De-briefing



glad everyone is safe and sound.





From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>; JJD1010 at aol.com; rrsantilli at att.net; 
alex.engles1 at gmail.com
Cc: bob at radefeld.com; sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net; cmccann1972 at gmail.com; 
rtaspl at aol.com; knottsj at galstar.com; mbradley at digitalflak.com; tmshinro at aol.com; 
bob at knoxtextiles.com; mgilmore11 at mchsi.com; epmoses3 at yahoo.com; grayjim at att.net; 
jdwd2685 at sbcglobal.net; adin at frontier.net; uniquengines at sbcglobal.net; 
jpeaden47 at yahoo.com; lizardman462 at aol.com; ronfleming at mindspring.com; 
ccunnyng at ix.netcom.com; msjaan at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Mon, April 30, 2012 10:24:20 PM
Subject: RE: MAP Squadron De-briefing

Dear Guys,


              Just back,  Alex Engles, Jim Gray and I made it home to OKC with 
running cars and the only mishap on the return leg was an acute driver’s window 
failure that is suspected to be a bad window motor.  We shall see.  Further 
details when I get dug out at home and the office.  No tickets.  Pantera one 
made about 19 mpg and Pantera two made 20 mpg.  Purdy good, all in all.


                                Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles              






From: B Hower [mailto:b.hower3400 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:20 PM
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Cc: bob at radefeld.com; sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net; cmccann1972 at gmail.com; 
rtaspl at aol.com; knottsj at galstar.com; mbradley at digitalflak.com; tmshinro at aol.com; 
bob at knoxtextiles.com; mgilmore11 at mchsi.com; epmoses3 at yahoo.com; grayjim at att.net; 
jdwd2685 at sbcglobal.net; adin at frontier.net; uniquengines at sbcglobal.net; 
jpeaden47 at yahoo.com; lizardman462 at aol.com; ronfleming at mindspring.com; 
ccunnyng at ix.netcom.com; msjaan at sbcglobal.net
Subject: RE: MAP Squadron Phone numbers





Guys,



I just left ( Hooters ) Topeka about 1:30. Tom and Bob were pulling out toward 
OKC then.

Tom pulled into Hooters about 12:15. I sure wish I had my car on the road with 
them. 




Bud #3400



--- On Sun, 4/22/12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
Subject: RE: MAP Squadron Phone numbers
To: JJD1010 at aol.com, rrsantilli at att.net, alex.engles1 at gmail.com
Cc: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com, bob at radefeld.com, sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net, 
cmccann1972 at gmail.com, rtaspl at aol.com, knottsj at galstar.com, 
mbradley at digitalflak.com, tmshinro at aol.com, bob at knoxtextiles.com, 
mgilmore11 at mchsi.com, epmoses3 at yahoo.com, grayjim at att.net, 
jdwd2685 at sbcglobal.net, adin at frontier.net, uniquengines at sbcglobal.net, 
jpeaden47 at yahoo.com, lizardman462 at aol.com, ronfleming at mindspring.com, 
ccunnyng at ix.netcom.com, msjaan at sbcglobal.net
Date: Sunday, April 22, 2012, 3:10 PM


Dear Squadron,





          Good news: Alex flew in as planned.  Both Panteras are ready and Alex 
brought two little hand held radios.  Ray loaned me his Valentine One radar 
detector.

            Bad news:  The vintage CB radios carefully aged in a closet for 
about twenty years light up with power, but don’t seem to actually broadcast and 
receive.  No time to go to Jim’s CB wizard.  Sigh.

            No word from the Northern Guys about their arrival in OKC.  


                              Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles




From: JJD1010 at aol.com [mailto:JJD1010 at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:10 PM
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Cc: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com; bob at radefeld.com; sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net; 
cmccann1972 at gmail.com; rtaspl at aol.com; knottsj at galstar.com; 
mbradley at digitalflak.com; tmshinro at aol.com; bob at knoxtextiles.com; 
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jpeaden47 at yahoo.com; lizardman462 at aol.com; ronfleming at mindspring.com; 
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Subject: Re: MAP Squadron Phone numbers



Subj: MAP Squadron Phone Numbers


Shaun Gibson 580-591-2923 


Alex Engles 405-245-6633

Jeff Detrich 972-333-3368

Mike DiTucci (my co-driver) 817-455-1440

Jim Gray 580-467-0088

Chuck Engles CB Radio only

Bob Knox 419-633-2222








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