[DeTomaso] NPC - "Hornet's Nest" - Sweden

Sean Korb spkorb at gmail.com
Wed Mar 14 12:00:08 EDT 2012


I'm not sure the gun control/crime rates are causal.  I think they may
be more coincidental.. that is, high crime may be more likely to cause
gun control than the revers, but there are other factors in play.
Urban vs rural, etc.

I've never been welcome in either gun/no gun camp.  I think it's clear
the US constitution guarantees the right of gun ownership, and I don't
see a reason for restriction even in higher technology weapons.  But
it also caveats this in a "well regulated militia" which to me
means... regulated militia.  My interpretation is not a state run
militia, but more rotary or boys club or moose lodge sort of militia.
A League of Women Voters militia or a NC State Alumni association
militia.  Any militia you want as long as it includes the following
(well regulated): Gun safety training, gun practice/drills and gun
qualification (license control).  The concealed carry laws in all
states seem to cover this well... so I'm in favor of concealed carry.

So you can see, I don't get invited to any parties :)

Also don't invade my house.   I may have a gun and/or a dog.  That is
fair enough warning.

sean

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Will Kooiman <wkooiman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> You can't compare crime rates between Texas and Sweden.  There are so many
> differences, it is impossible to associate crime rates with guns.  What
> works for you, won't work for us.
>
> You can, however, compare/contrast the state laws in the U.S.  The states
> that issue concealed handgun permits have lower crime rates, lower murder
> rates, and lower robbery rates than those that forbid concealed hand guns.
> That isn't an opinion.  That's a fact.  In America, crime clearly goes UP
> with gun control.  The statistics are so obvious, it isn't even close.
>
> Guns or no, I feel very strongly that I have a right to use deadly force to
> protect myself, my family, and to some extent my property.  If someone
> breaks into my house to kill me, I'm going to kill 'em right back.
>
> I also feel very strongly that my right to protect myself does not give me a
> free pass to kill anyone I want.  If an intruder is inside my home and a
> threat to me, they are fair game.  Once they are no longer a threat, they
> are no longer in season.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Roland Jaeckel
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:22 AM
> To: Thomas Tornblom; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - "Hornet's Nest" - Sweden
>
> And at least, we are still unijured alive with less crime, murders and so
> on.
> Ah, i forgot, we also have less (no) guns and weapons in our homes.
>
> Roland
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Tornblom" <thomas at hax.se>
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - "Hornet's Nest" - Sweden
>
>
>> Mike Thomas skrev 2012-03-14 01.47:
>>> Not just Sweden, Bill, but our brothers to the north (Canada) are just as
>>> whacked when it comes to this sort of stuff.
>>
>> I would say most civilized countries are like this ;)
>>
>>> Mike Thomas
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Bill Lewis
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:25 AM
>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - "Hornet's Nest" - Sweden
>>>
>>>
>>> In the book, after Berger's home is broken into, she gets some golf clubs
>
>>> to
>>> hit the intruder/burglar with.  Later, she is told that if the intruder
>>> did
>>> come back inside her home and she hit him with the golf clubs that she
>>> could
>>> be charged with assault, and if she killed him, be charged with murder.
>>> IS
>>> THIS REALLY THE LAW IN SWEDEN!!!!     -------------- I'm appalled!!
>>> Here
>>> in America, one has the right to defend theirself and their home.  And,
>>> here
>>> in Texas, you have the right to shoot and kill them.     ----Bill Lewis
>>>
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