[DeTomaso] Transmission viewing hole cover
Charles Engles
cengles at cox.net
Sun Jun 10 12:28:26 EDT 2012
Dear Mr. Unifying ZF Transmission Mounting Theory,
Egad! You've hit upon the unrecognized problem: the Pantera ZF
is upside down, but the bellhousing is right side up,
so...that.....means.....ummm.... that...well, things are confusing and we
await your Unifying ZF Transaxle Theory to explain all of these confounding
issues!
The Pantera Research Institute ZF Department remains stumped,
too.
As the British said in WWII, "Carry on and remain calm".
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of Jerry R Knotts
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:27 AM
To: Jerry R Knotts; Tomas Gunnarsson; 'List'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Transmission viewing hole cover
Of course in additional reflection the port is in the bellhousing not the
transmission.
Even more stumped,
jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry R Knotts" <knottsj at galstar.com>
To: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>; "'List'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Transmission viewing hole cover
> Does this also beg the question is the trans in a Pantera right side up or
> upside down. Are the ports for cooling or drainage or both? How were the
> transmissions oriented in the original road graders in Germany?
>
> Inquiring minds are flummoxed,
> jerry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
> To: "'List'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 9:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Transmission viewing hole cover
>
>
>> Generally not much air will move through an opening unless the air has
>> somewhere to go. In this case the bellhousing is pretty much sealed
>> otherwise so I foresee little air movement.
>>
>> Tomas
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SG [mailto:sdlgibson at sbcglobal.net]
>> Sent: den 10 juni 2012 16:16
>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson'; 'List'; Charles Engles
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Transmission viewing hole cover
>>
>>
>> Is it possible that the spinning clutch assembly act as an
>> "impeller" so to speak and draws in cooler air to aid in cooling? Some
>> of
>> the older units have 2 ports and maybe this acts as an intake and
>> exhaust.
>> Just some food for thought. Anyway, I'm keeping my cover on just to
>> help
>> keep dirt, grit, and other nasties from getting in while you drive every
>> day.
>>
>> Shaun Gibson
>>
>> --- On Sun, 6/10/12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Transmission viewing hole cover
>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, "'List'"
>> <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 8:37 AM
>>
>>
>> Dear Tomas,
>>
>>
>> My very amateur evaluation and opinion of the cooling
>> capacity of
>> the bellhousing port is the same as yours: It *cannot* provide
>> very much
>> cooling! Oh, well.
>>
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
>> Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson
>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:17 AM
>> To: 'List'
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Transmission viewing hole cover
>>
>> I personally don't think that the open hole provides much
>> cooling
>> but if it
>> does I don't think some small holes will be enough to preserve
>> that cooling
>> capacity.
>>
>> Tomas
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of The DeTomaso
>> Registry Guy
>> Sent: den 10 juni 2012 02:43
>> To: 'Charles Engles'; 'Christopher Kimball'
>> Cc: 'List'
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Transmission viewing hole cover
>>
>>
>> Just drill some small holes in the cover?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: Charles Engles [mailto:cengles at cox.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 5:23 PM
>> To: 'Christopher Kimball'; 'The DeTomaso Registry Guy'
>> Cc: 'List'
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Transmission viewing hole cover
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Chris,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If you do find such a screen, then please let
>> me know.
>> I would be interested.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>> PS: the lovely color coordinated plastic covers have proven to
>> be
>> satisfactory for boy racer high performance!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Christopher Kimball [mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 5:44 PM
>> To: Charles Engles; 'The DeTomaso Registry Guy'
>> Cc: 'List'
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Transmission viewing hole cover
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow, so as it always seems to be with Panteras, there are two
>> answers to the
>> question!
>>
>> Maybe I'll see if any vendors carry a screen for it since that
>> would answer
>> both questions at once...
>>
>> Thanks for the info,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: Charles Engles
>> Sent: 6/9/2012 2:21 PM
>> To: 'The DeTomaso Registry Guy'; 'Christopher Kimball'
>> Cc: 'List'
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Transmission viewing hole cover
>>
>> Dear Chuck,
>>
>>
>>
>> You wrote:
>>
>> 1) how important is it to have the hole covered,
>> and
>>
>> "Yes to prevent some tool or debris from falling in.... and
>> no(t)
>> to allow
>> heat to escape."
>>
>> Just before or during the Phoenix Rally, I was told that
>> the
>> bellhousing port was for ventilation to allow heat to escape.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guffawed at this bit of ZF trivia. At the rally, I
>> checked with
>> our POCA President and ZF expert, Les Gray. I was shocked that
>> Les
>> confirmed that the port was indeed for ventilation. I believe
>> he
>> said that
>> serious racing European Panteras have screens that cover the
>> port
>> to..."prevent some tool or debris from falling in...." and to
>> also
>> allow
>> heat to escape.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have had my two Panteras adorned with the tastefully
>> color
>> coordinated port covers for a total of 100,000 miles. There
>> have
>> been no
>> known problems. The recent cross country escapade to Phoenix
>> and
>> back, over
>> 2,334 miles, by the same two Panteras at healthy speeds for long
>> distances,
>> likewise, produced no sign of a problem.
>>
>> So, that is all that I know about ZF bellhousing port
>> covers.
>> Experience seems to show that no harm seems to be done in normal
>> Pantera
>> driving with the port covered, despite what the original ZF
>> engineers
>> thought.
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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