[DeTomaso] ZF Mounted Inboard Brakes

Tue Jun 5 19:34:53 EDT 2012

Yes Ted Mitchell, that's how the thread started.....  here's his website http://www.tmitch.com/

Larry Stock (Pantera Parts Connection) donated 5 or 6 pairs of the De Tomaso aluminum valve covers to the POCA Fun Rally raffle, maybe someone won who doesn't need them. Most were the black with raised ribs natural aluminum, although one set was fully polished. Failing that Larry Stock has more I'm sure.

Julian

> From: cengles at cox.net
> To: boyd411 at gmail.com; will.kooiman at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:26:35 -0500
> CC: guson at home.se; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Mounted Inboard Brakes
> 
> Dear Boyd,
> 
> 
> I believe that the inboard brakes were fabricated by Ted
> Mitchell, who also does headlight conversions. I believe that he has a
> website: Vader Racing (or something like that).
> 
> Regarding the aluminum DeTomaso valve covers, you might find
> some at Hall Pantera. They come up on eBay from time to time and I bought a
> pre owned pair from the Byers Brothers years ago. They're around, but you
> have to scare them up.
> 
> 
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of boyd casey
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:11 PM
> To: Will Kooiman
> Cc: Tomas Gunnarsson; De Tomaso List
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Mounted Inboard Brakes
> 
> I can't remember the name of the vendor. They made cats eye conversions as
> well as a few other items. One of their big ticket items was an inboard
> brake setup. Does anyone remember the name of the vendor?
> Boyd
> 
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I also wonder if outboard brakes benefit from direct contact with the 
> > wheels. There has to be some heat sink effect going on there. You 
> > wouldn't benefit nearly as much mounted next to a hot ZF.
> >
> > I used to own a 93 Mustang Cobra. They had wheels with louvers cast 
> > in them. The louvers worked like little fans sucking air away from 
> > the brakes. At least that was the theory.
> >
> > On Jun 5, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson wrote:
> >
> > > 116 series Alfa Romeos have inboard rear brakes. This is on a front
> > engine,
> > > lighter and less powerful car than the Pantera. When brake cooling
> > becomes
> > > an issue the first major mod is to adapt vented rotors in the stock 
> > > position. The stock rotors are around 250 mm in dia BTW. Next step 
> > > is
> > moving
> > > the rotors to the wheels where cool air is readily available and 
> > > rotor
> > size
> > > is by all practical means unlimited. Kinda the opposite of what was 
> > > done here. This seems more like a show car modification than a track 
> > > car improvement.
> > >
> > > Tomas
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > > [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of 
> > > michael at michaelshortt.com
> > > Sent: den 5 juni 2012 22:16
> > > To: Julian Kift
> > > Cc: asajay at asajay.com; De Tomaso List
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Mounted Inboard Brakes
> > >
> > >
> > > IMHO it's not a modification with any real advantage, lots of work 
> > > and expense, damage to to the ZF, and a much worse rotor cooling issue.
> > >
> > > The advantages in a 100% Sports Racing car are moving the mass 
> > > closer to center, and for endurance cars, a much faster pad change.
> > >
> > > But racing cars care about weight, to really be this anal about 
> > > weight,
> > you
> > > should also lose the passenger seat, use an AL racing shell for the
> > driver,
> > > remove the radio, the A/C, the carpet, the door panels, replace the 
> > > glass with Lexan, the headliner, use a 50% less heavy gel cell 
> > > battery, no bumpers, have CF doors, hood, deck lid,
> > and
> > > an AL block.
> > >
> > > Most of which would be more beneficial that having inboard brakes.
> > >
> > > But if you have unlimited money and want to impress other Pantera 
> > > owners
> > (
> > > since we're going to be the only ones to know the difference ), it 
> > > would
> > be
> > > neat to see what was fabricated.
> > >
> > > Michael Shortt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Julian Kift 
> > > <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> IIRC it requires some modifications by way of machining or welding 
> > >> to
> > the
> > >> ZF case, which maybe a deterent to many.
> > >>
> > >> Julian
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 12:37:33 -0700
> > >>> From: asajay at asajay.com
> > >>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Mounted Inboard Brakes
> > >>>
> > >>> Yes, Ted Mitchell showed this off in the Ballroom of a past Las 
> > >>> Vegas Fun Rally some years ago. I have photos of it somewhere. I 
> > >>> don't think it turned into a sought after mod.
> > >>>
> > >>> Asa Jay
> > >>>
> > >>> Quoting The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The other day I was asked to post photos of a cable shifter for 
> > >>>> our
> > > ZF.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Then Saturday I took a sporty drive thru the mountains in a 
> > >>>> vintage
> > >> Jag.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> These two things reminded me of the topic of inboard brakes, a la
> > >> Jaguar. I
> > >>>> remembered
> > >>>>
> > >>>> seeing a ZF with the brake rotor assembly mounted on the ZF, so I
> > >> started
> > >>>> searching for photos.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think this was Ted Mitchell's work, not sure.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ZF mounted brakes has been discussed some time ago, but in 
> > >>>> searching
> > >> the
> > >>>> archives
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I could not find the thread.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I guess the archives search function still sucks, I even used a
> > >> google-based
> > >>>> deep mine
> > >>>>
> > >>>> search technique without success. Anyway.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> One advantage of this design is that it moves the rear brake 
> > >>>> weight
> > >> from the
> > >>>> un-sprung
> > >>>>
> > >>>> side of the equation to the sprung side.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> One disadvantage is that it adds heat to the ZF, it is also a bit 
> > >>>> complicated.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> While adding vintage photos to the DeTomaso Registry, I stumbled
> > > across
> > >>>> photos of a so-equipped
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ZF. I'm adding these photos to the ever-growing section on our 
> > >>>> beloved
> > >> ZF,
> > >>>> find the link under the welcome photo.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.provamo.com/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Chuck Melton
> > >>>>
> > >>>> (The Registry Guy)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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