[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 90, Issue 24
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Dropped a valve on a z28. Many years back. Honed it in the car and put in a new rod and piston A few weeks later spun a bearing. Not clean enough is my guess
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> 1. Re: FW: Part I: Road to Phoenix---Oklahoma City toRoswell
> (Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
> 2. Re: Really dumb Techno Question: Front Bearings
> (Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
> 3. Re: Part I: Road to Phoenix---Oklahoma City to Roswell (Jim Gray)
> 4. Part 2 (David in Durango)
> 5. Re: GTS Fender Flairs?? Differences (richard bosch)
> 6. Engine Autopsy (sean mundy)
> 7. Re: Engine Autopsy (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 8. Re: Engine Autopsy (Sean Korb)
> 9. Re: Engine Autopsy (Dave Londry)
> 10. Re: Engine Autopsy (Julian Kift)
> 11. Re: Engine Autopsy (sean mundy)
> 12. Re: Engine Autopsy (Steve Hawkins)
> 13. Re: Engine Autopsy (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 14. Re: Engine Autopsy (Corey Price)
> 15. Re: Engine Autopsy (Will Kooiman)
> 16. Re: Engine Autopsy (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 17. Re: Engine Autopsy (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 18. Re: Engine Autopsy (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 19. Testimonial for MSD ready-to-run distributor? (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 20. Re: Testimonial for MSD ready-to-run distributor? (Roland J?ckel)
> 21. Re: Testimonial for MSD ready-to-run distributor? (Cullen McCann)
> 22. Re: Engine Autopsy (bill gaino)
> 23. Re: Engine Autopsy (sean mundy)
> 24. Re: Engine Autopsy (Asa Jay Laughton)
> 25. Re: Engine Autopsy (Asa Jay Laughton)
> 26. Test (mbefthomas)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:01:54 -0500
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Part I: Road to Phoenix---Oklahoma City
> toRoswell
> To: "'Charles Engles'" <cengles at cox.net>, "'John Buckman'"
> <jb841 at cox.net>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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> <<using the computer without adolescent supervision or back up!>>
>
> Lucky for you the list is packed with adolescent back up...
>
> Larry (still growing) - Cleveland
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Charles Engles
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:45 PM
> To: 'John Buckman'
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Part I: Road to Phoenix---Oklahoma City
> toRoswell
>
> Dear John,
>
>
> Thanks for the tiny.url help. All of my children are off to
> college and I am using the computer without adolescent supervision or back
> up!
>
>
> Ummm, the route you see is the first rough approximation. I do
> not expect to actually end up at the City Hall unless some phenomenal
> infraction of Chandler municipal traffic ordinances is incurred by the
> loosely organized Mid America Pantera Squadron's arrival in their fair city.
> I will note the correct destination address on the final iteration of the
> Road to Phoenix.
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of John Buckman
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:53 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Part I: Road to Phoenix---Oklahoma City to Roswell
>
> Dear Dr. Engles,
>
> Rather than having to highlight several lines of characters and then having
> to copy and paste to one's browser,
> perhaps these links might be helpful.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/OKC-to-Roswell
>
> http://tinyurl.com/Roswell-to-Chandler
>
> I have noticed that your journey appears to end at the Chandler City Hall.
> I wasn't aware that the City Hall has
> a casino and overnight accommodations. Perhaps you were planning on having
> to settle a future "debt" with the City of Chandler or the State of Arizona.
>
> If you're intensions are to join the POCA Fun Rally, your trip needs to be
> extended a few miles further, to the west side of I-10. Your destination
> address should be 5040 Wild Horse Pass Blvd., Chandler, AZ.
>
> I hope that you will find this information helpful. ; >)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> John
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:22:05 -0500
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Really dumb Techno Question: Front Bearings
> To: "'Charles Engles'" <cengles at cox.net>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Chuck,
>
> All you need to have happen to you is to have a wheel bearing fail out on a
> Colorado desert road, like it happened to me. You keep a closer eye on them
> after that and it was only 35 years ago.
>
>
> Nine times out of ten it is the smaller outside bearing that will go bad. It
> is also the EZer bearing to get off as you do not need to remove the caliper
> to get it off. But you should service both of them.
>
> After cleaning a bearing and blowing it out with air it may seam fun to spin
> the bearing with air, but it is not a good practice as you can over spin
> them. Inspect the small rollers for ware rings on them as this is a sign of
> future problems. When a bearing is going bad it will over heat and cook the
> grease out of it before it welds it self up. Hard braking will heat them up
> doing the same thing. Get to know what the normal temp should be by feeling
> the hubs after a drive. Not very hot at all.
>
> Last year I looked for a set of made in the USA bearings for the
> T-Bird...gave up after a month.
>
> Remember to always replace the race along with the wheel bearing, unless you
> are stuck on the desert.
>
>
>
> Larry (likes the Zen of packing them) - Cleveland
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Charles Engles
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:20 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Really dumb Techno Question: Front Bearings
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At what time interval or mileage interval should one
> inspect and re-grease the front bearings? I appears to have been some time
> since I attended to this task. I suspect that it may well be way overdue,
> but I am curious as to just how long overdue it may be....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 06:41:57 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jim Gray <grayjim at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Part I: Road to Phoenix---Oklahoma City to
> Roswell
> To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>, John Taphorn
> <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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> Chuck's idea of multiple small caravans, able to enjoy local scenic back roads
> that are nearby, would be a good idea.? We could then arrange for a conversion
> point in western NM (?) for the all-important massed Pantera arrival in Phoenix
> as needed for media attention.
>
> Just my .02
>
> Jim Gray
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> To: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Sent: Sat, January 21, 2012 9:03:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Part I: Road to Phoenix---Oklahoma City to Roswell
>
> Dear John,
>
>
>
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I am partial to that route from experience.? I am
> sure that it is probably not a good fit for DFW or Houston.? I think
> coordinating a tri-city caravan may be a challenge.? ? I think that OKC
> contingent will have a handful of Panteras.? ? How big is Space City's
> contingent?? DFW's?
>
>
>
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Looking at the map, Roswell is a bit north for a DFW
> start and is out of the way for Houston.? ? Maybe three smaller caravans?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards,? Chuck
> Engles
>
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John Taphorn [mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:49 PM
> To: Charles Engles
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com; 'Jim Gray'; 'Raymond Santilli'
> Subject: Re: Part I: Road to Phoenix---Oklahoma City to Roswell
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> I like the use of secondary highways on your route.? Unfortunately, that
> particular route is a bit out of the way for the Houston drivers, and I
> suspect, the Texas Metroplex contingent.
>
>
>
> Would you consider an alternative path out of Fort Worth which is
> equidistant between us?
>
>
>
> Perhaps, I am putting to much effort into the caravan together thinking.
> Although, I realize that we will have at least one truck with trailer to
> haul spare wheel tire combos, parts and additional luggage which would
> enhance safety, timely arrival and comfort.
>
>
>
> JT
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Charles Engles <mailto:cengles at cox.net>?
>
> To: John Taphorn <mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>?
>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com ; 'Jim Gray' <mailto:grayjim at att.net>? ; 'Raymond
> Santilli' <mailto:rrsantilli at att.net>?
>
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:36 PM
>
> Subject: FW: Part I: Road to Phoenix---Oklahoma City to Roswell
>
>
>
> Part I
>
> Proposed Trip from OKC to Chandler, Arizona.? This is part one for day one
> from OKC to Roswell, New Mexico.? There is a link for the map at the end of
> this email.? ? Part two for day two from Roswell, New Mexico to Chandler,
> Arizona is in the next separate email.
>
> Part One: contains a small? amount of superslab and mostly
> Oklahoma-Texas-New Mexican backroads.? I took this route from San Diego to
> OKC in 2007.? I thought it was much, much better than I-40 superslab.?
>
> I would be happy to hear suggestions from my New Mexican Pantera brothers
> about the planned route.
>
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> Subject: Part I: Road to Phoenix
>
> Part I: OKC to Roswell, which is approx. 510 miles.? Mostly little traveled
>
> Oklahoma-Texas-New Mexico back roads. Small amount of superslab. Overnite in
>
> Roswell.
>
> You are at Oklahoma City, OK, USA .?
>
>
>
> You are at Roswell, NM, USA .?
>
>
>
> Total Trip distance: 509.6 miles Time: 8 hrs? 33 min?
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________
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> ? Link to View Map on Rand McNally Maps-
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> http://maps.randmcnally.com/#s=screen
> <http://maps.randmcnally.com/#s=screen&lat=34.4262295&lon=-101.043678&zoom=3
> &> &lat=34.4262295&lon=-101.043678&zoom=3&
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> loc1=Oklahoma%20City%2C%20Oklahoma%2C%20OK%2C%20USA&loc2=Lawton%2C%20Comanch
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> e%2C%20OK%2C%20USA&loc3=Altus%2C%20Jackson%2C%20OK%2C%20USA&loc4=Hollis%2C%2
>
> 0Harmon%2C%20OK%2C%20USA&loc5=Memphis%2C%20Hall%2C%20TX%2C%20USA&loc6=Estell
>
> ine%2C%20Hall%2C%20TX%2C%20USA&loc7=Turkey%2C%20Hall%2C%20TX%2C%20USA&loc8=B
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> ovina%2C%20Parmer%2C%20TX%2C%20USA&loc9=Clovis%2C%20Curry%2C%20NM%2C%20USA&l
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> oc10=Roswell%2C%20Chaves%2C%20NM%2C%20USA
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:04:59 -0700
> From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Part 2
> To: <rspink2012 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: panteras <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> The Pope has blessed Part 2 of this adventure, god of speed willing.[1]
>
> I would encourage inclusion of NM SR152 from Caballo to Silver City.
>
> Please add my name to the Part 2 list.
>
> David in Durango
>
>
> [1] Lloyd has my ZF and i think I want to freshen the motor.
>
>
>
>
> The next morning we would head on to Chandler which is 5 or 6 hours from Las Cruces which should get us there at a decent time on Wednesday.
>
> Perhaps I could ask for thoughts on the route and other places to stop and see.
>
> Please forward this email to anyone else that you think would be interested.
>
> From my notes I show the following people as having expressed some level of interest in this adventure
>
> Rob Pink
> John Taphorn
> Jim Gray
> Ed Nagel
> Steve Hawkins
> David Bell
> Bill Lewis
> Will Kooiman
> Jeff Detrich
> Chuck Engels
> Bob Radefeld
>
> Please let me know if you plans are firming up and if others are also interested.
>
> Rob
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:44:03 -0800 (PST)
> From: richard bosch <theemonkey at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GTS Fender Flairs?? Differences
> To: knottsj at galstar.com, De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> When i purchased my car #5919 around a dozen years ago the previous owner had added Hall fiberglass flares in the early 80's.He did cut and remove metal from the fenders front and rear at that time.
> When i bought the car it came with Hall steel flares in a box.Maybe that is a telling sign in that he was willing to go thru the extra effort to change to steel.I sold the steel flares and went with Hall GT5 flares in fiberglass without the running boards.I used Volvo fender rivits as they are larger than a pop rivit and have a different shape kind of like a volcano.They are also black in color.
> Link of a picture on POCAS album section ?http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=14744
> If i ever re-flare the car it will be with GT4 flares in fiberglass as they have more room do to there shape. GT5 has a squared off opening versus GT4 has a rounder opening.
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:11:27 -0800
> From: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT124-W19574382FF268AA12EB68CBD8A0 at phx.gbl>
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> A few weeks ago I posted about my engine making a sudden rattling noise.
> I posted a picture of my damaged #4 spark plug and guessed that maybe the one of the valves had dropped into the cylinder causing the damage.
> I removed the head this weekend and here is what the valves look like.
> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34768
> The valves are where they are supposed to be but something caused the surface damage to them.
> Here is the answer
> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34771
> It appears that my aircleaner wing nut came loose and the center post that screws into
> the carb also came loose and ejected itself down the carb, manifold and finally into the cylinder.
> Any advice on what I should do now?
> Total rebuild or clean it up and put back together?
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:26:15 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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> Ouch, that hurts to read.
>
> First, lesson to everybody, Loc-Tite red on the air cleaner stud, I also
> use a nut
> on mine to lock it down against the carb body.
>
> You have little to loose by cleaning it up and seeing what happens, if it
> doesn't perform,
> then you'd be tearing it down anyway.
>
> Michael Shortt
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:11 PM, sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> A few weeks ago I posted about my engine making a sudden rattling noise.
>> I posted a picture of my damaged #4 spark plug and guessed that maybe the
>> one of the valves had dropped into the cylinder causing the damage.
>> I removed the head this weekend and here is what the valves look like.
>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34768
>> The valves are where they are supposed to be but something caused the
>> surface damage to them.
>> Here is the answer
>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34771
>> It appears that my aircleaner wing nut came loose and the center post that
>> screws into
>> the carb also came loose and ejected itself down the carb, manifold and
>> finally into the cylinder.
>> Any advice on what I should do now?
>> Total rebuild or clean it up and put back together?
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> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:30:09 -0500
> From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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> Ouch! I mean... ouch!
>
> The crank and rods can take a *lot* of abuse, but I'd still check the
> crank and rod for straightness, then if it checks out... find a piston
> that matches, hone the cylinder and button it all back up.
>
> Ouch!
>
> sean
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:11 PM, sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> A few weeks ago I posted about my engine making a sudden rattling noise.
>> I posted a picture of my damaged #4 spark plug and guessed that maybe the one of the valves had dropped into the cylinder causing the damage.
>> I removed the head this weekend and here is what the valves look like.
>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34768
>> The valves are where they are supposed to be but something caused the surface damage to them.
>> Here is the answer
>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34771
>> It appears that my aircleaner wing nut came loose and the center post that screws into
>> the carb also came loose and ejected itself down the carb, manifold and finally into the cylinder.
>> Any advice on what I should do now?
>> Total rebuild or clean it up and put back together?
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:36:21 -0800
> From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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> Looks to me like you're on that slope.
> You don't want to put it back together with the 2-piece valves, even if
> they didn't do it.
> That piston can't be good - the rod may be shorter than it was and the
> piston next to it
> doesn't look to pretty either.
> dave
>
>
> On 23/01/2012 11:11 AM, sean mundy wrote:
>> A few weeks ago I posted about my engine making a sudden rattling noise.
>> I posted a picture of my damaged #4 spark plug and guessed that maybe the one of the valves had dropped into the cylinder causing the damage.
>> I removed the head this weekend and here is what the valves look like.
>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34768
>> The valves are where they are supposed to be but something caused the surface damage to them.
>> Here is the answer
>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34771
>> It appears that my aircleaner wing nut came loose and the center post that screws into
>> the carb also came loose and ejected itself down the carb, manifold and finally into the cylinder.
>> Any advice on what I should do now?
>> Total rebuild or clean it up and put back together?
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:38:11 -0800
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: <seanmundy at hotmail.com>, De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> That is bad luck, I'm surprised the center post made it past the valve.
>
> In answwer to yoru question, here's my opinion; even though your problem isn't what was initially diagnosed, why would you take the chance to reassemble the egine with the stock valves still in place and wait for the inevitable to happen, so I say go for the rebuild and avoid rolling the dice every time you take it out for a drive. What is the cylinder wall like?
>
> Julian
>
>> From: seanmundy at hotmail.com
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:11:27 -0800
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
>>
>>
>> A few weeks ago I posted about my engine making a sudden rattling noise.
>> I posted a picture of my damaged #4 spark plug and guessed that maybe the one of the valves had dropped into the cylinder causing the damage.
>> I removed the head this weekend and here is what the valves look like.
>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34768
>> The valves are where they are supposed to be but something caused the surface damage to them.
>> Here is the answer
>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34771
>> It appears that my aircleaner wing nut came loose and the center post that screws into
>> the carb also came loose and ejected itself down the carb, manifold and finally into the cylinder.
>> Any advice on what I should do now?
>> Total rebuild or clean it up and put back together?
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:45:40 -0800
> From: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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>
> When I think about it now I get really mad because I have had to tighten that center post
> several times. I'm such an idiot to have not put locktite on it.
> I haven't rotated the engine yet to see what the cylinder wall looks like.
> I pretty much figure I'm in for a total rebuild at this point.
> It's already got .30over pistons in it from a previous rebuild before I bought it.
> Not sure if more can be done with this block.
>
>
>
>
> From: julian_kift at hotmail.com
> To: seanmundy at hotmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:38:11 -0800
>
>
>
>
>
> That is bad luck, I'm surprised the center post made it past the valve.
>
> In answwer to yoru question, here's my opinion; even though your problem isn't what was initially diagnosed, why would you take the chance to reassemble the egine with the stock valves still in place and wait for the inevitable to happen, so I say go for the rebuild and avoid rolling the dice every time you take it out for a drive. What is the cylinder wall like?
>
> Julian
>
>> From: seanmundy at hotmail.com
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:11:27 -0800
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
>>
>>
>> A few weeks ago I posted about my engine making a sudden rattling noise.
>> I posted a picture of my damaged #4 spark plug and guessed that maybe the one of the valves had dropped into the cylinder causing the damage.
>> I removed the head this weekend and here is what the valves look like.
>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34768
>> The valves are where they are supposed to be but something caused the surface damage to them.
>> Here is the answer
>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34771
>> It appears that my aircleaner wing nut came loose and the center post that screws into
>> the carb also came loose and ejected itself down the carb, manifold and finally into the cylinder.
>> Any advice on what I should do now?
>> Total rebuild or clean it up and put back together?
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:48:18 -0600
> From: "Steve Hawkins" <shawkins777 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> What does the cylinder wall look like? If it's ok, then replace the valves
> and piston at a minimum.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of sean mundy
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:11 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
>
>
>
> A few weeks ago I posted about my engine making a sudden rattling noise.
> I posted a picture of my damaged #4 spark plug and guessed that maybe the
> one of the valves had dropped into the cylinder causing the damage.
> I removed the head this weekend and here is what the valves look like.
> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34768
> The valves are where they are supposed to be but something caused the
> surface damage to them. Here is the answer
> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34771
> It appears that my aircleaner wing nut came loose and the center post that
> screws into
> the carb also came loose and ejected itself down the carb, manifold and
> finally into the cylinder. Any advice on what I should do now?
> Total rebuild or clean it up and put back together?
>
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> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:54:40 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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> That's a different story, if you're already at 30 over, if the walls are
> OK, put it back together,
> seems to be your only option to me.
>
> If the walls are damaged, that block is done IMHO.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:45 PM, sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> When I think about it now I get really mad because I have had to tighten
>> that center post
>> several times. I'm such an idiot to have not put locktite on it.
>> I haven't rotated the engine yet to see what the cylinder wall looks like.
>> I pretty much figure I'm in for a total rebuild at this point.
>> It's already got .30over pistons in it from a previous rebuild before I
>> bought it.
>> Not sure if more can be done with this block.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: julian_kift at hotmail.com
>> To: seanmundy at hotmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:38:11 -0800
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That is bad luck, I'm surprised the center post made it past the valve.
>>
>> In answwer to yoru question, here's my opinion; even though your problem
>> isn't what was initially diagnosed, why would you take the chance to
>> reassemble the egine with the stock valves still in place and wait for the
>> inevitable to happen, so I say go for the rebuild and avoid rolling the
>> dice every time you take it out for a drive. What is the cylinder wall like?
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>> From: seanmundy at hotmail.com
>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:11:27 -0800
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
>>>
>>>
>>> A few weeks ago I posted about my engine making a sudden rattling noise.
>>> I posted a picture of my damaged #4 spark plug and guessed that maybe
>> the one of the valves had dropped into the cylinder causing the damage.
>>> I removed the head this weekend and here is what the valves look like.
>>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34768
>>> The valves are where they are supposed to be but something caused the
>> surface damage to them.
>>> Here is the answer
>>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34771
>>> It appears that my aircleaner wing nut came loose and the center post
>> that screws into
>>> the carb also came loose and ejected itself down the carb, manifold and
>> finally into the cylinder.
>>> Any advice on what I should do now?
>>> Total rebuild or clean it up and put back together?
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:03:10 -0700
> From: Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
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> That's no fun. I agree that there are two possible issues: cylinder is scuffed, and valve and seat are ruined. You might consider a cylinder sleeve if the cylinder wall is scuffed. There's a 2V complete 351c engine in our local classified ads for $50... No idea if it's been rebuilt. I'm just saying that there are blocks still available. My block was stock bore when I got it.
>
> Corey
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2012, at 12:54 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's a different story, if you're already at 30 over, if the walls are
>> OK, put it back together,
>> seems to be your only option to me.
>>
>> If the walls are damaged, that block is done IMHO.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:45 PM, sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> When I think about it now I get really mad because I have had to tighten
>>> that center post
>>> several times. I'm such an idiot to have not put locktite on it.
>>> I haven't rotated the engine yet to see what the cylinder wall looks like.
>>> I pretty much figure I'm in for a total rebuild at this point.
>>> It's already got .30over pistons in it from a previous rebuild before I
>>> bought it.
>>> Not sure if more can be done with this block.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: julian_kift at hotmail.com
>>> To: seanmundy at hotmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:38:11 -0800
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is bad luck, I'm surprised the center post made it past the valve.
>>>
>>> In answwer to yoru question, here's my opinion; even though your problem
>>> isn't what was initially diagnosed, why would you take the chance to
>>> reassemble the egine with the stock valves still in place and wait for the
>>> inevitable to happen, so I say go for the rebuild and avoid rolling the
>>> dice every time you take it out for a drive. What is the cylinder wall like?
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>>> From: seanmundy at hotmail.com
>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:11:27 -0800
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A few weeks ago I posted about my engine making a sudden rattling noise.
>>>> I posted a picture of my damaged #4 spark plug and guessed that maybe
>>> the one of the valves had dropped into the cylinder causing the damage.
>>>> I removed the head this weekend and here is what the valves look like.
>>>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34768
>>>> The valves are where they are supposed to be but something caused the
>>> surface damage to them.
>>>> Here is the answer
>>>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34771
>>>> It appears that my aircleaner wing nut came loose and the center post
>>> that screws into
>>>> the carb also came loose and ejected itself down the carb, manifold and
>>> finally into the cylinder.
>>>> Any advice on what I should do now?
>>>> Total rebuild or clean it up and put back together?
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:10:08 -0600
> From: "Will Kooiman" <wkooiman at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: "'Corey Price'" <coreyjprice at gmail.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> The same thing happened to my dad with a 300 six cylinder truck engine.
>
> On his, the cylinder was cracked.
>
> This was at 270,000 miles - propane.
>
> If the cylinder is okay, I'd probably put it back together. As others have
> said, there isn't much to lose at this point. While it is running, you can
> start building a replacement.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Corey Price
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:03 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
>
>
> That's no fun. I agree that there are two possible issues: cylinder is
> scuffed, and valve and seat are ruined. You might consider a cylinder
> sleeve if the cylinder wall is scuffed. There's a 2V complete 351c engine
> in our local classified ads for $50... No idea if it's been rebuilt. I'm
> just saying that there are blocks still available. My block was stock bore
> when I got it.
>
> Corey
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2012, at 12:54 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com"
> <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's a different story, if you're already at 30 over, if the walls are
>> OK, put it back together,
>> seems to be your only option to me.
>>
>> If the walls are damaged, that block is done IMHO.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:45 PM, sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> When I think about it now I get really mad because I have had to tighten
>>> that center post
>>> several times. I'm such an idiot to have not put locktite on it.
>>> I haven't rotated the engine yet to see what the cylinder wall looks
> like.
>>> I pretty much figure I'm in for a total rebuild at this point.
>>> It's already got .30over pistons in it from a previous rebuild before I
>>> bought it.
>>> Not sure if more can be done with this block.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: julian_kift at hotmail.com
>>> To: seanmundy at hotmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:38:11 -0800
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is bad luck, I'm surprised the center post made it past the valve.
>>>
>>> In answwer to yoru question, here's my opinion; even though your problem
>>> isn't what was initially diagnosed, why would you take the chance to
>>> reassemble the egine with the stock valves still in place and wait for
> the
>>> inevitable to happen, so I say go for the rebuild and avoid rolling the
>>> dice every time you take it out for a drive. What is the cylinder wall
> like?
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>>> From: seanmundy at hotmail.com
>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:11:27 -0800
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A few weeks ago I posted about my engine making a sudden rattling noise.
>>>> I posted a picture of my damaged #4 spark plug and guessed that maybe
>>> the one of the valves had dropped into the cylinder causing the damage.
>>>> I removed the head this weekend and here is what the valves look like.
>>>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34768
>>>> The valves are where they are supposed to be but something caused the
>>> surface damage to them.
>>>> Here is the answer
>>>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34771
>>>> It appears that my aircleaner wing nut came loose and the center post
>>> that screws into
>>>> the carb also came loose and ejected itself down the carb, manifold and
>>> finally into the cylinder.
>>>> Any advice on what I should do now?
>>>> Total rebuild or clean it up and put back together?
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> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:36:30 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: michaelsavga at gmail.com, seanmundy at hotmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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> In a message dated 1/23/12 11 27 11, michaelsavga at gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> First, lesson to everybody, Loc-Tite red on the air cleaner stud, I also
>> use a nut
>> on mine to lock it down against the carb body.
>>
>
> My Mustang motor had an ignition miss, one plug was only firing part of the
> time. This set up a vibration that was difficult to track down.
>
> I used a nut to secure the stud to the intake. The vibration sheared the
> stud flush with the top of the nut, leaving it dangling by the wingnut. So
> it just hung there and rattled as the wingnut then unthreaded and dropped
> the stud into the engine. :<(
>
> Good, quality, hardened studs (NOT cheap grade-zilch allthread) are
> required for this application! Lesson learned the hard way....
>
> Mike
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:36:48 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: michaelsavga at gmail.com, seanmundy at hotmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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> In a message dated 1/23/12 11 55 40, michaelsavga at gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> That's a different story, if you're already at 30 over, if the walls are
>> OK, put it back together,
>> seems to be your only option to me.
>>
>> If the walls are damaged, that block is done IMHO.
>>
>
>>>> If only one wall is damaged but the rest are still in good shape, it
> could safely be sleeved, and just a single piston replaced. 351C blocks don't
> grow on trees.
>
> When I had my stroker built, Dan Jones sold me a spare block he had to
> serve as the foundation. It was original bore but had a deep gouge in one
> cylinder. They determined that it could be cleaned up at .030 over, but found
> that another cylinder would be dangerously thin (via sonic testing). So
> that cylinder, not the gouged cylinder, was sleeved.
>
> So, if you're on a budget, you can just do a valve job, replace a single
> piston, put it all back together and hope for the best. If you have more
> time/money to devote to the task, then you can step onto the slippery slope and
> do it 'right'.
>
> Mike
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:36:25 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: seanmundy at hotmail.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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>
> In a message dated 1/23/12 11 11 56, seanmundy at hotmail.com writes:
>
>
>> Here is the answer
>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34771
>> It appears that my aircleaner wing nut came loose and the center post that
>> screws into
>> the carb also came loose and ejected itself down the carb, manifold and
>> finally into the cylinder.
>> Any advice on what I should do now?
>> Total rebuild or clean it up and put back together? ? ? ? ?
>>
>
> I had exactly the same thing happen to me in my GT-350 years ago--in fact
> Mad Dog was riding with me at the time. It's such a stupid thing to have
> happen--so frustrating!
>
> You might think your valves are okay, but in my case, even though they
> looked like yours, in fact one of them was bent slightly. I looked upon it as
> an opportunity, and had a basic valve job done and new valves fitted.
>
> Since your heads are in your hands and your valves are the junk stock Ford
> valves anyway, now is the time to do the same, and equip them with quality
> valves (or go whole hog and replace the heads, either with quench heads or
> aluminum heads, depending on how spendy you're feeling).
>
> Thankfully the piston head is rather soft. You will have to inspect the
> connecting rod carefully to make sure it's not bent. Mine, thankfully, was
> not. I was able to buy a single replacement piston, matching the others,
> then sent all the pistons and rods to Gary Roys, who balanced them for me,
> then came back out to my house and spend a few days screwing my motor back
> together with me.
>
> By some miracle, my block was untouched and undamaged by the debris, but
> you should check yours carefully to make sure the carb stud didn't leave a big
> gouge in the cylinder wall. :<(
>
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:36:54 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Testimonial for MSD ready-to-run distributor?
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <4283b.3c06266f.3c4f1ee6 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi guys,
>
> While it's common to use a traditional MSD ignition system, consisting of
> the 8477 distributor and separate MSD ignition box, MSD also makes a
> stand-alone ready-to-run distributor which does away with all that complexity:
>
> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MSD-8350/
>
> I know at least a handful of people here are running it.
>
> Anthony Hale, the fellow in the UK who bought that blue '73 Euro L-model
> that was for sale in California until just a few months ago, wants to upgrade
> his entirely bone-stock engine, and was thinking of an MSD ignition upgrade.
> I tentatively suggested that the 8350 might be the best plug-and-play
> answer from the MSD line, BUT I don't know how well it fits in a Pantera. Is
> it too tall to fit under the stock engine screen, or is it the same size as
> the normal MSD units?
>
> Those who know, let me know!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:51:45 +0100
> From: Roland J?ckel <pantera874 at t-online.de>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Testimonial for MSD ready-to-run distributor?
> To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <4434E2D5-E42F-40F7-9732-A2D1322670C7 at t-online.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I Wonder, why you all want the MSD distributor ?
> Why Not just use a Motorcraft electronic distributor combined with a MSD Box?
> The Motorcraft distributor has the same pick Up as the MSD and has the same dimension as the original distributor and costs less than a quarter of the MSD.
>
> Roland Jaeckel
>
> Am 23.01.2012 um 21:36 schrieb MikeLDrew at aol.com:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> While it's common to use a traditional MSD ignition system, consisting of
> the 8477 distributor and separate MSD ignition box, MSD also makes a
> stand-alone ready-to-run distributor which does away with all that complexity:
>
> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MSD-8350/
>
> I know at least a handful of people here are running it.
>
> Anthony Hale, the fellow in the UK who bought that blue '73 Euro L-model
> that was for sale in California until just a few months ago, wants to upgrade
> his entirely bone-stock engine, and was thinking of an MSD ignition upgrade.
> I tentatively suggested that the 8350 might be the best plug-and-play
> answer from the MSD line, BUT I don't know how well it fits in a Pantera. Is
> it too tall to fit under the stock engine screen, or is it the same size as
> the normal MSD units?
>
> Those who know, let me know!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
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> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:08:21 -0600
> From: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Testimonial for MSD ready-to-run distributor?
> To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Not to sidetrack the response you are looking for Mike, but I just bought an
> MSD distributor for a 351W in my Cobra....and considered the ready-to-run
> version, again for "simplicity", but after spending some time with MSD's
> tech line, I finally figured out that its not the same performance as the
> stand alone distributor with the separate hi-fire ignition box...just fyi.
> The voltage output of the ready to run distributor is not meant to be a
> replacement for the system with the separate box. I understand the
> motivation for simplicity and clearance issues, but just to be clear, they
> are not of equal performance. One is just a slightly above stock replacement
> in output voltage. Hard to read that in the summitt description. You may
> already be aware, but I thought I would clarify that.
>
> Cullen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:37 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Testimonial for MSD ready-to-run distributor?
>
> Hi guys,
>
> While it's common to use a traditional MSD ignition system, consisting of
> the 8477 distributor and separate MSD ignition box, MSD also makes a
> stand-alone ready-to-run distributor which does away with all that
> complexity:
>
> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MSD-8350/
>
> I know at least a handful of people here are running it.
>
> Anthony Hale, the fellow in the UK who bought that blue '73 Euro L-model
> that was for sale in California until just a few months ago, wants to
> upgrade his entirely bone-stock engine, and was thinking of an MSD ignition
> upgrade.
> I tentatively suggested that the 8350 might be the best plug-and-play
> answer from the MSD line, BUT I don't know how well it fits in a Pantera.
> Is
> it too tall to fit under the stock engine screen, or is it the same size as
> the normal MSD units?
>
> Those who know, let me know!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
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> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:59:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID:
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> Quick horror story, I had a 350 Pontiac with a skip, I changed, points, plugs, wires, still skipped. I pulled intake and replaced sunken lifter, back together... still skipped, OK, The cam had a little wear, intake back off, cam replaced, Still skipped, It must be a valve, I pull both heads, have valve job, back together, Skip gone! I revved it up a little and was pleased.. THEN the extra cly pressure caused a rod bearing to spin. IT was at this point that I decided if my v8 ever has a skip... I'm pulling it and building the whole thing! Sean, Don't be tempted to patch it up and keep going. Engines have to be just right. The valves alone are a death sentance. Bite the bullet and rebuild it the way you want. Here is my build spec for 408 ci that pounds hard to 7000 and close to 500 hp It cost me 7500$ using my block, 4v closed heads Bill 1362
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Jan 23, 2012 2:11 PM
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
>>
>>
>> A few weeks ago I posted about my engine making a sudden rattling noise.
>> I posted a picture of my damaged #4 spark plug and guessed that maybe the one of the valves had dropped into the cylinder causing the damage.
>> I removed the head this weekend and here is what the valves look like.
>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34768
>> The valves are where they are supposed to be but something caused the surface damage to them.
>> Here is the answer
>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34771
>> It appears that my aircleaner wing nut came loose and the center post that screws into
>> the carb also came loose and ejected itself down the carb, manifold and finally into the cylinder.
>> Any advice on what I should do now?
>> Total rebuild or clean it up and put back together?
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> If you want it SLICK.. bring it to SLICKUM Paint Shop www.slickpaint.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:29:57 -0800
> From: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: <gaino at earthlink.net>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT124-W5805E0DCF6D907A49BCC37BD8A0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Please don't let my stupidity and bad luck go to waste. Everyone who reads this should check and locktite their air cleaner stud ASAP!!!!
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:59:47 -0500
>> From: gaino at earthlink.net
>> To: seanmundy at hotmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
>>
>> Quick horror story, I had a 350 Pontiac with a skip, I changed, points, plugs, wires, still skipped. I pulled intake and replaced sunken lifter, back together... still skipped, OK, The cam had a little wear, intake back off, cam replaced, Still skipped, It must be a valve, I pull both heads, have valve job, back together, Skip gone! I revved it up a little and was pleased.. THEN the extra cly pressure caused a rod bearing to spin. IT was at this point that I decided if my v8 ever has a skip... I'm pulling it and building the whole thing! Sean, Don't be tempted to patch it up and keep going. Engines have to be just right. The valves alone are a death sentance. Bite the bullet and rebuild it the way you want. Here is my build spec for 408 ci that pounds hard to 7000 and close to 500 hp It cost me 7500$ using my block, 4v closed heads Bill 1362
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
>>> Sent: Jan 23, 2012 2:11 PM
>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
>>>
>>>
>>> A few weeks ago I posted about my engine making a sudden rattling noise.
>>> I posted a picture of my damaged #4 spark plug and guessed that maybe the one of the valves had dropped into the cylinder causing the damage.
>>> I removed the head this weekend and here is what the valves look like.
>>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34768
>>> The valves are where they are supposed to be but something caused the surface damage to them.
>>> Here is the answer
>>> http://poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=34771
>>> It appears that my aircleaner wing nut came loose and the center post that screws into
>>> the carb also came loose and ejected itself down the carb, manifold and finally into the cylinder.
>>> Any advice on what I should do now?
>>> Total rebuild or clean it up and put back together?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>>
>> If you want it SLICK.. bring it to SLICKUM Paint Shop www.slickpaint.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:39:22 -0800
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
> Message-ID: <20120123143922.gyihq1fhlw4kc4ko at webmail.asajay.com>
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>
> The "proper" part you need is this:
>
> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ARP-200-0306/?rtype=10
>
> Various lengths are available.
> Asa Jay
>
> Quoting sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>:
>
>>
>> Please don't let my stupidity and bad luck go to waste. Everyone
>> who reads this should check and locktite their air cleaner stud
>> ASAP!!!!
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:40:54 -0800
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Autopsy
> To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
> Message-ID: <20120123144054.2wj5hp8j4s0swoc8 at webmail.asajay.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";
> format="flowed"
>
> Or This:
>
> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/KNN-07996/?rtype=10
>
>
>
> Asa Jay
>
>
> Quoting Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>:
>
>> The "proper" part you need is this:
>>
>> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ARP-200-0306/?rtype=10
>>
>> Various lengths are available.
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> Quoting sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>:
>>
>>>
>>> Please don't let my stupidity and bad luck go to waste. Everyone
>>> who reads this should check and locktite their air cleaner stud
>>> ASAP!!!!
>>>
>>
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>
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> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:07:04 -0800
> From: "mbefthomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Test
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