[DeTomaso] Sorta NPC, goodbye internal combustion engines

Thu Jan 19 10:34:46 EST 2012

Dear Gray and Denny,
You both seem to be better informed about these subjects then I am. My only
source of information is what I was able to find using Google and the
sources were primarily News Papers and environmental groups.  We all know
that everyone has their own agenda even
news organizations (which are "supposed" to report *FACTS and *keep their
opinions confined to the editorial section). It is very unfortunate for us
(the American public) that we can't rely on the media to provide us with
the truth. I have said that I was not opposed to the use of Canadian "sand
oil"or the pipeline I just would like to prevent unnecessary damage to the
environment. If the research has been done (as you have stated)and the
necessary safety precautions are taken then I certainly would support them
proceeding with the pipe line "posthaste".  I took the adversarial position
because of the demeaning comments made about people who hold a different
point of view then the particular poster who shall remain nameless. I think
any important subject deserves an intelligent and unbiased review of both
sides of the position. It was relatively easy to support the position I
took with the information I had available  and the lack of an argument
based  on anything but insults for people  who held the opposing view.
Based on the assumption on my part that you both know what you are talking
about and have the facts stated correctly  I think we can say that we have
taken this subject to it's  conclusion .which is "Politicians are full of
it, newspapers special interest groups and the media feed it to the public
,it is almost impossible to get a straight story or the truth and we should
proceed with the pipeline and the search for oil and other energy sources
on the North American continent and surrounding waters.
Boyd
P.S. I hope no ones feelings were hurt or feathers were  rustled by the
more heated portions of this dialogue no harm was meant.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:

> Boyd,****
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> The pipeline has been thoroughly studied and has gone through all the
> typical environmental impact studies that are done on every pipeline prior
> to getting a permit, in fact this particular pipeline has gone through a
> lot more scrutiny than any other pipeline I can recall. The denial of this
> particular pipeline is purely political / ideological and has no basis in
> fact or science.   As for the Nebraska Gov I have no idea what his
> political motives are. The original concerns were about a particular
> aquifer in Nebraska which Trans Canada agreed to re-rout the pipeline to
> avoid.****
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> Gray****
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> *From:* boyd casey [mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2012 8:34 PM
> *To:* Gray Gregory
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> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Sorta NPC, goodbye internal combustion engines**
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> Gray, I am not against the use of Canadian tar sands oil, as I stated in a
> previous post I have invested in Canadian  Sand Oil trusts whose sole
> enterprise is Tar oil. I just believe it is important to make sure all the
> correct precautions are taken and adequate research done. I think it would
> be great to start right away, It would add needed jobs and help kick start
> the economy. I just don't know if adequate studies have been done to start
> the pipeline. Even he Governor of Nebraska wants the pipe line rerouted OUT
> OF HIS STATE. I'm pretty sure he knows more about the risks then any of us
> do. But I am just guessing.****
>
> Boyd****
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> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
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> Boyd,
>  It looks to me like the info in the articles about the US becoming an net
> exporter of petroleum products just highlights the need for the Keystone
> pipeline. The article clearly states that increased crude supplies from
> Canada are a big reason we are able to make more refined products thus
> enabling us to export; which for a country with a large negative trade
> balance is a very good thing! It also states that the net exports of these
> products pales in comparison to our net imports of crude oil; which is what
> this pipeline will carry and oil imported from Canada by pipeline is
> definitely preferable to oil imported by tanker from Africa or the Middle
> East!
> As for the blogs about tar sands oil being more toxic, they are mostly
> just environmental scare tactics. Yes tar sands oil is on the heavier side
> of the crude spectrum, but so is a lot of conventionally produced oil. I've
> been in the pipeline business my whole life and I can tell you there is
> nothing about heavy crude that makes it more likely to cause a spill. The
> fact is pipelines are by far the safest most efficient method of
> transportation in the world and all the fear mongering is nothing more than
> scare tactics by the environmental extremists.
>
> Gray****
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On Behalf Of boyd casey
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:40 PM
> To: michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: Ken Green; detomaso at realbig.com; Larry Finch
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sorta NPC, goodbye internal combustion engines****
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> Dear Michael,
> The only time I have been known to wear panties was when I was tearing a
> pair off a lady friend with my teeth and they got caught on my head. I
> don't know who you have been having your intellectual debates with but
> there is no shortage of facts here. I have heard you brag about being able
> to "back your garbage up" but no one is doubting your driving ability LOL
> Seriously I have not seen any facts emanating from your corner.
>
> Some links to facts for you.
>
> US net oil exporter for****
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> 2011<http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2011/12/us_net_exports.html>
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> Us net oil exporter
> #2<
> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2011-12-16/us-oil-boom/52053236/1
> >****
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> US poised to retake status as net oil****
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> exporter<
> http://seekingalpha.com/article/315669-u-s-poised-to-retake-status-as-net-petroleum-products-exporter
> >
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> Tar oil spills <http://ww4report.com/node/9874>****
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> Montana oil pipeline  spills Tar sands****
>
> oil<
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/15/us-oil-spill-montana-idUSTRE76E0OJ20110715
> >****
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>
> Let me know how many more facts you want to match up against your "Garbage
> "
> Since Tar sand oil is in many ways similar to garbage your choice of words
> is more apropos then you might think.
> Hugh Boyd Casey
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> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 7:10 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
> michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Lots of quips from the panty wearing liberals, yet Zero facts... as
> usual.
> >
> > Obama is a socialist pig, hellbent on destroying our country from
> > within by policy, deed and his uncultured,  inner Kenyan oafishness.
> >
> > Michael
> >  On Jan 18, 2012 7:02 PM, "Bill Moore" <Bill at incendium.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If it's garbage, burn it as fuel. LOL.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > Calgary
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:   Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> > > Sender: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > > Date:   Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:46:44
> > > To: Larry Finch<fresnofinches at aol.com>; detomaso at realbig.com<
> > > detomaso at realbig.com>
> > > Reply-To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sorta NPC, goodbye internal combustion
> > > engines
> > >
> > > Larry,
> > >
> > >     This has gotten past a contest to see who can score points.
> > >
> > >     I'd really like to hear your honest opinion of Obama's energy
> policy.
> > > The only policy I can see is making fossil fuels very expensive or
> > > unavailable, and subsidizing solar and wind energy, to the extent
> > > that fossil fuels will no longer be viable for the common man in the
> > > United States.  I see a total disregard for the consequences,
> > > specifically the harm to the average American.  I have seen
> > > estimates that solar and wind energy can only provide a small
> > > percent (25%?) of the energy we use now.  What kind of America do
> > > you envision when most of use can't drive cars and can't keep the
> > > lights on?  Some people seem to actually think
> > that
> > > electricity comes out of the air and that electric cars mean an end
> > > to fossil fuel, but I assume we all realize that nearly all
> > > electricity in
> > the
> > > US is generated from fossil fuel.
> > >
> > >      I am willing to listen to what you think, and if you believe
> > > that global warming is a valid reason to turn the US into a 3rd
> > > world economy
> > I
> > > will respect your view, but I would just like a realistic and honest
> > > statement.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> > > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:10 PM
> > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Sorta NPC, goodbye internal combustion engines
> > >
> > > Michael wrote -
> > > "be prepared to back your garbage up, I can."
> > >
> > >
> > > Garbage. I am glad you can back your garbage up.
> > >
> > > But if its garbage..........
> > >
> > > You called it, I didn't.  :-)
> > >
> > > Larry - sticks and stones.........
> > >
> > >
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